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I sent an email to Robert Turpin, Keith Wilkins, all of the Commissioners, the Mayor, the Governor, and many other elected and appointed officials asking for their support in this matter. I reminded them that no one from Escambia County represented us at the Panama City meeting, and that we expect something different from them this time. Please take the time to email all of your representatives and let them know how important it is that they attend to represent us.
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| Spearfisher, what are you protesting? If I read the agenda correctly, FWC does not support an increase in the flounder bycatch, and they simply want to continue to study flounder gigging. I assume you support a repeat of last year's snapper season: longer state, shorter federal. The vast majority of snapper and habitat are in federal waters. Why would you again want a shorter federal season?
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| Lbhuntley, I asked this last time this topic came up and you would not/did not answer me. Do YOU think there are less snapper now than there was 15 years ago?
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spearfisher (1/2/2009)
I sent an email to Robert Turpin, Keith Wilkins, all of the Commissioners, the Mayor, the Governor, and many other elected and appointed officials asking for their support in this matter. I reminded them that no one from Escambia County represented us at the Panama City meeting, and that we expect something different from them this time. Please take the time to email all of your representatives and let them know how important it is that they attend to represent us.Last time Robert said he couldn't go to Panama City because he works for the county and he couldn't represent the county if they didn't send him. Yet....Robert went to Las Vegas last November to represent the USS Oriskany reefing project at which he gave a presentation as the head pf the project for the county, and the county didn't send him. We were told he was "acting on his own as a private citizen". His actions directly resulted in us losing business. I expect to see him at this upcoming meeting supporting our recreational fishery.
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Don't count on it. I can't think of a single time Robert Turpin did anything to support us recreational fishermen. If I'm wrong I don't mind being corrected. And I don't want to hear about how he single handedly got us the Oriskany.
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| ibhuntly, are you as blind and misled as you portray? if we do not go and stand up for ourselves they will SHORTEN the rec. fishing season in STATE waters too. yes i saw that the STAFF doesn't support the increase in the bycatch of the shrimp trawlers BUT they DO want to "DISCUSS" the closing of floundering during the winter months AND stop GIGGING AND limit hook and line catches to 4 fish per day from 10 fish per day. if noone shows up to voice their concerns on these matters then THEY WILL DO WHATEVER THEY PLEASE. SO YOU JUST STAY HOME WATCH TV,EAT CHIPS AND LET US BIG BOYS HANDLE THIS. THANK YOU. p.s. no need to reply because i don't believe that there is anything intelligent that can possibly come from your head!!!!!!
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When is the next RFRA meeting because me and my friend want to join in on this. We can't keep letting the government dictate what we do. I have been a member of this forum for a year now. I feel guilty for not stepping up to the plate before now but we are pissed about the new proposed regs. He and I want to become members of the RFRA and join in on this fight. This is BS and we want to do our part.
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| To Cobe Killer, Rich, Scott and all, I think getting a group together to go to the meeting is good thing to do; I had already planned on attending to address the commission and request a little more latitude on spending our "Boater Improvement Funds! Contacting Keith Wilkins, is the best way to start if you want Turpin to attend the meeting, I would like Robt to also help push through an expansion to our BIF program, and have asked him about that. I have made contact with the FWC through my sources on this subject and await a response. When I get it, I will post here on the forum. To me, it does not appear that Staff supports the changes on Flounder, but I will find out for sure. With regard to reef fish species, it will take a show of force if you want their attention on that, theres a whole lot of politics and pressure going here with the Feds! Side Note, if you're wanting help from the County and Turpin on this matter, publically bashing him will probably not encourage his support. Contact your Commissioner, Keith Wilkins and Bob McCoughlin, in a respectful manner and ask for help! Now, when will the weather get nice so we can enjoy some fishing, I am tired of this dingy cloud cover! Happy fishing! 
   
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| Cobe Killer, last year the FL and TX big boy's approach cost GOM recreational snapper fishermen 56 days in federal waters. What is their plan this year? Many of us would be interested in the big boy's solutions to overfishing. Might help if they locate some reputable marine scientists to support their positions. Loud voices, ranting and raving and profanity rarely accomplish much. Let's see, President Bush, Senator Magnuson and Stevens, the congress, NOAA, NMFS, Dr Crabtree, Gulf Council and FWC are managing the resource with best science and statistical methods. If the big boys can improve the science, they might listen. Go get 'em, big boys.
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| Jeff, I did contact Keith, along with all of the County Commissioners, the Mayor, the Governor, several others in the news media and other civic minded citizens. I have not, nor will you see me bashing Robert in this thread. I think that it is important that he as the Chief of Marine Resources let the citizens of Escambia County know where he stands on these issues. I think that it is equally important to have representation at these meetings from sources other than just recreational fishermen. lbhuntley, I'm not going to waste my time. If you have spent one minute on this forum you know where I stand on recreational fishing issues and artificial reefing in our area. I'm not going to argue with you.
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| When you read the staff report on flounder you see that Bill Sharp is the author and he states that the gig issue was brought to the staff by concerned recreational anglers. Another issue is that gigging is generally done at night and part of the problem with current rec data collection is that few, if any, dockside interviews are conducted at night which the staff is looking at as a potential under sampling problem. They also state that according to all available info that the flounder fishery appears stable. This gives you several arguments to have the current regs on flounder remain status quo. 1st, the staff says the fishery appears stable and a stock assessment is being considered for 2010. Why act now, wait until the next stock assessment is done. 2nd who recommended to the staff that gigging was a problem???? In other fisheries I have seen this "who", insinuated to be many recreational anglers, to be only 1 or 2 people who generally are from an enviro group such as peta, humane society, etc trying to stop a practice that does not have a problem. Find out how many people expressed a concern over gigging as the issue could be shown to be a non issue. 3rd, how many flounder, what %, is landed by recs or com by gigging? Find out how much of an issue this really is and if the staff has no info on this request that the info be found out before trying to fix something that may not be broke. On the red snapper issue, fl and tx are blamed for the early closure of red snapper but, and a big but, is how many days will the fed red snapper season be if all states comply? The nmfs cannot give you an answer on this today and it is doubtful they will be able too by the feb fwc meeting. It appears tx will tell them they do not intend to change tx law so if tx does not comply, how many days do we get. On top of all this, the fwc recommendation is a 6-1 to 9-30 season which was allegedly based on the feds saying that was the season they would give. The only for sure certain fact for the 09 red snapper season is that it will open on 6-1 in the eez. No one can tell you at this time how many days is will be open, what the bag limit will be, or what the size limit will be. How does anyone make a judgement of what to do or support with this type of info? FL and TX are both being held hostage on this issue. There are some for-hire owners and operators who have encouraged the fwc to comply with the feds. There are other for-hire owners and operators who do not support this. The critical part of this will be what do the rest of the people in the state want. They need to let the commissoners know. The commissioners have been very supportive of and listen to the constituents before they make decisions based on staff recommendations. Everyone needs to provide their recommendation to the commissioners.
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bob II (1/4/2009)
When you read the staff report on flounder you see that Bill Sharp is the author and he states that the gig issue was brought to the staff by concerned recreational anglers. Another issue is that gigging is generally done at night and part of the problem with current rec data collection is that few, if any, dockside interviews are conducted at night which the staff is looking at as a potential under sampling problem. They also state that according to all available info that the flounder fishery appears stable. This gives you several arguments to have the current regs on flounder remain status quo. 1st, the staff says the fishery appears stable and a stock assessment is being considered for 2010. Why act now, wait until the next stock assessment is done. 2nd who recommended to the staff that gigging was a problem???? In other fisheries I have seen this "who", insinuated to be many recreational anglers, to be only 1 or 2 people who generally are from an enviro group such as peta, humane society, etc trying to stop a practice that does not have a problem. Find out how many people expressed a concern over gigging as the issue could be shown to be a non issue. 3rd, how many flounder, what %, is landed by recs or com by gigging? Find out how much of an issue this really is and if the staff has no info on this request that the info be found out before trying to fix something that may not be broke. On the red snapper issue, fl and tx are blamed for the early closure of red snapper but, and a big but, is how many days will the fed red snapper season be if all states comply? The nmfs cannot give you an answer on this today and it is doubtful they will be able too by the feb fwc meeting. It appears tx will tell them they do not intend to change tx law so if tx does not comply, how many days do we get. On top of all this, the fwc recommendation is a 6-1 to 9-30 season which was allegedly based on the feds saying that was the season they would give. The only for sure certain fact for the 09 red snapper season is that it will open on 6-1 in the eez. No one can tell you at this time how many days is will be open, what the bag limit will be, or what the size limit will be. How does anyone make a judgement of what to do or support with this type of info? FL and TX are both being held hostage on this issue. There are some for-hire owners and operators who have encouraged the fwc to comply with the feds. There are other for-hire owners and operators who do not support this. The critical part of this will be what do the rest of the people in the state want. They need to let the commissoners know. The commissioners have been very supportive of and listen to the constituents before they make decisions based on staff recommendations. Everyone needs to provide their recommendation to the commissioners. BobII , Is 100% correct if the state fishery follows suit with the federal rules which have not been announced as of yet,you have no idea whats instore for the recreational season for 2009 the feds can start 6/1/09 but they can also close 6/2/09. If you can in anyway be present for this meeting you need to be there. With all the SOS and other crap that is going on in the federal waters you will be way ahead if you stand up and fight for your state waters it may be the only fishing you have left . As stated many times before we are soon going to loose our natural bottom areas so you may want to push for extensive state water habitat as well, besides last February they said they were going to do that.Its time to hold them accountable for some of these promises. Also some of you that are in the related fishing industry may want to get a little more involved if you thought 2008 was tough wait till 2009.
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hey rich, your doing a great job,as always, with contacting our officials. i'm going to see if i can get a meeting w/ our commissioners before feb. to get an idea of where each of them stand. we'll see what happens. valentino gave me an invite to his office, so i'm going to take him up on it.
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| outstanding Cliff. As you know since you were there, Valentino was one of the Comm. who stood up for us at the ACOE meeting. Hopefully he will continue with the fisheries issues. Thanks for working hard on this Cliff. Rich
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stll waiting on valentino to call me. some took a couple extra days off. will post when i talk to him.
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| Beg your pardon Capt Paul, we have a very good idea concerning the length of the 09 recreational season. The commercial quota for 09 has been established and is the same as last year which means rec will have 2.45 million lbs. The season will most likely be the same as last year, 1 June to 30 Sept if ALL states comply. If they don't, the federal season will be shortened like last year. Aren't the vast majority of the public wrecks in federal waters? Why would you advocate a shorter federal season and longer state season? Do you have that many private wrecks in state waters? Weekend fishermen, you need to pay attention. If you want a 1 June to 5 Aug federal season, support a FL and TX extended season. If you are interested in a longer federal season, support FWC's position. Maybe I missed something. Capt, why do you support a shorter federal season? By the way, have you contacted Dr Shipp and Cowan or any other marine scientist to appear on Gulf Coast Outdoors?
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ibhuntly, you just don't have a clue about what is going on do you? THE FEDS ARE WRONG ABOUT THE RS IN THE GOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE ARE NOT GOING TO SIT BACK AND LET THEM WALK ALL OVER US WITH DATA THAT THEY THEMSELVES ADMIT TO BEING FLAWED. THEY NEED TO COME TO TERMS THAT THEY ARE WRONG AND LISTEN TO REASON ABOUT THE SITUATION NOT JUST THREATEN US WITH CLOSURES TO MAKE US CONFORM. WE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT THIS AFFECTS AND WE WILL FIGHT WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN FIGHT WITH TO MAKE THIS RIGHT. IF YOU WANT TO SIT ON YOUR ASS AND DO NOTHING, THEN GO RIGHT AHEAD, BUT DON'T BOTHER US WITH YOUR CANDYASS WINING. LIKE I SAID BEFORE STAY OUT OF WHAT YOU CAN'T HANDLE AND LET US THAT CAN HANDLE THE PRESSURE DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. TO EVERYONE ELSE THAT READS BESIDES HUNTLY I APPOLOGIZE FOR MY CHOICE OF SOME WORDS, BUT THIS GUY PISSTH ME OFF!
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lbhuntley (1/6/2009)
Beg your pardon Capt Paul, we have a very good idea concerning the length of the 09 recreational season. The commercial quota for 09 has been established and is the same as last year which means rec will have 2.45 million lbs. The season will most likely be the same as last year, 1 June to 30 Sept if ALL states comply. If they don't, the federal season will be shortened like last year. Aren't the vast majority of the public wrecks in federal waters? Why would you advocate a shorter federal season and longer state season? Do you have that many private wrecks in state waters? Weekend fishermen, you need to pay attention. If you want a 1 June to 5 Aug federal season, support a FL and TX extended season. If you are interested in a longer federal season, support FWC's position. Maybe I missed something. Capt, why do you support a shorter federal season? By the way, have you contacted Dr Shipp and Cowan or any other marine scientist to appear on Gulf Coast Outdoors?I clearly dont want a shorter federal season I want it all back they way it was before all of this bull shit of faulty data came out. It's about correcting a problem that clearly doesn't exist, or maybe you and your Dr. Cowan believe it does because you both couldnt catch a Red Snapper in a f**king bucket. What I'm interested in is the truth and fixing the real issues, essential fish habitat,and the 20 other species of bottom fish that we are all whipping out , while throwing back a thousand red snapper a day in the process, because a few ignorant people cant see or admit that they are fu**ing wrong. No there are not populations of snapper in south florida like on the Gulf Coast but so what we dont have yellow tail like they do and never will. Maybe you should give us your share of the pie and I'll see if I can get a marina and west marine to let you use my account so you can get your fishing and boating supplies at cost. Also I dont believe that commercial fishing is a part time job by any means otherwise the other 85% of the population that you are suppose to be providing fish for that dont fish for themselves would just starve to death! Benefits The primary benefit I realize from commercial fishing is the operation of a part-time business. Due to "Luke's Fishing Company" I am able to
- purchase items for the boat tax free
- buy items for the boat wholesale
- purchase fuel, ice and bait at wholesale
- deduct business costs from federal income tax Return to table of contents
Conclusion Commercial fishing is at best a "part-time business" on the Gulf coast. To be successful, four ingredients are necessary:
- love of fishing
- a retirement income
- a very special and understanding wife
- a family interested in fishing I enjoy all four. Return to table of contents Return to beginning of "Luke's Fishing Company"
lbhuntley@aol.com OH YEAH TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION I DO HAVE PLENTY OF STATE WATER HABITAT TO FISH ON. HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY
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Now thats the Capt.Paul I know. Straight forward and to the point! 
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| Here is a question. Why not get a State or Federal Judge to step in and rule that the data is flawed and make them do a new study? I sure there are some judges out there that like to fish.
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| He's baaaaack. Good to see ya Paul!!
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I hope to be able to make the meeting again this year. I definitely learned a lot from the PFFers on the bus last year. As most of you know, I spend most of my time on the water chasing king mackerel. I usually only catch a snapper when I am jigging for bait. BUT, I want to support my fellow fishing brethren and stop the ignorant politics going on with this snapper issue. I agree with Capt. Paul, the heart of this issue comes from flawed data and it must be made clear to the "Staff" that they are misinformed!! I will also be joing the RFRA this year as well.
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| LB'S HOME PAGE EXCERT'S The areas I primarily fish are between compass headings of 170 to 240 degrees, and in depths of 150 to 240 feet. The bottom consists of limestone rock with coral growth, a primary habitat for mingo snapper. The "Barbara K" is equipped with both GPS and loran. Over the years I have collected approximately 3,000 productive fishing locations. Some are considered public, some private. A useful site to review Escambia County public reef locations is http://fcn.state.fl.us/fwc/marine/ar/ar-escambia.htm. I generally fish two days and one night but the total time required is four days. One day to prepare, two days to fish, and one day to sell the catch, fuel and clean the boat. It is all but impossible to make a living commercial fishing on the Gulf coast. Most commercial fishermen are like myself and depend on retirement income. The number of full-time commercial fishermen is rapidly declining. This is a classic example of someone taking a public resource and using it for personal gain. And before you say it I absolutely do not fish public artificial reefs if you ever see my boat on a public reef it is for them to look at . I am not and will not fish them because I feel that I am doing this for a living and do not want to take away from what the tax payers of Escambia County have paid for. When you look at your self in the mirror ask your self what have I done to benifit the fishery in any way at all other than take for personal gain. ( oh yeah and feed those 85% of non fishing americans PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LARRY STICK WITH WHAT YOU KNOW BEST ABOUT THE FISHERY. NOTHING AND KEEP READING ALL THAT PRODUCTIVE BS THAT YOU THRIVE ON.
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| "Central to the Ocean Action Plan and the Magnuson-Stevens Act reauthorization bill is a greater use of science in the fishery management process." NMFS is probably not going to use Capt Paul and Cobe Killers arguments to increase the TAC. Gents, unless you can produce better science you are fighting the "windmill." Charter is attempting to improve the science with their SOS proposal. Everyone benefits when overfishing ends and red snapper recover - recreational, charter and commercial. The TAC for everyone goes up! The American people, who own the resource, have mandated via their elected officials that Magnuson-Stevens will be implemented outside of politics. Weekend red snapper fishermen at the Feb, FWC meeting, you will have an opportunity to provide input in determining the length of the 09 federal season. June 1 - Sept 30 if FL and TX comply with NMFS or June 1 to Aug 5 if they don't.
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| LBHUNTLEY, For the THIRD time I will ask you this question in hopes of a response. Do YOU think there are less snapper now than there were 15-20 years ago?
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The OLE Regulations. Science???? How Bout Field Surveys.
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The OLE Regulations. Let me add Field Surveys with Fishermen NOT Scientist!!
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| Larry, Have you checked out the GOMARS plan developed by charter captains and rec fishermen? Similar to the SOS without the seperation of TAC.
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i just got off the phone with comm. valentino's aid, dean kirschner, and he is going to talk with valentino tonite about the meeting in san destin. he will get a date when they will be able to meet with a couple of us to discuss the issue. i will hear from him thursday and will let you know how many people will be able to attend. he also said that he MIGHT pull turpin in on the discussion?. i'll keep you posted.
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lbhunlty, do you not realize that the very "SCIENCE" that they are using is what has caused the situation that we are in now??? if it were not for the flaws in their "SCIENCE" and their lack of willingness to work with the people that know what is going on, we would not be in these "DIRESTRAIGHTS" that they think that we are in. instead of doing the proper research over the past 25 or 30 years they just took the words of tree hugg'n, turtle kiss'n scientist that don't want anyone fishing to start with. WE( the recreational fishermen) are sick and tired of the lies, misleading, and MADE-UP NUMBERS and other information that is being used to control the rec. fishermen. WE WILL NOT TAKE THIS LYING DOWN ANY MORE, COUNT ON IT!!!!!!!
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