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Before you read this, I want to let it be known that I feel charity begins at home first and foremost; I go out of my way to help people, donate monies along (along with my tax dollars) with goods, to charitable organizations, so I’m not heartless, by any means. I saw a TV commercial yesterday that got me thinking. You know the ones…feed the children of the world. Well this was one that was asking for $10.00...See they have this BIG rice donation from some Malaysian country, tons and tons of rice. What they want the $10.00 for is to cover the transportation costs to get this rice to Africa. Of course they flash pictures of these ole shacks, no doors, no windows, corrugated roofs, and these children with grotesque stomachs sticking out (you all have seen them). Naturally trying to play on our sympathy. They claim to be able to feed something like 500 children for a year on this shipment (number is right, not sure exactly how long but you get my point). OK, here is where my thinking kicks in. First of all, the country they live in can’t grow or buy (import) enough food to sustain the population they have today. Now, you have this poor, uneducated population, no contributing skill of any sort, with no employment opportunities in the foreseeable future dying. So we (as in people in general) get this rice delivered to these children today and they continue to live (as they have been doing, do you expect a change) growing up to child bearing age. Being uneducated, takes no responsibility for raising their children (their parents didn’t) supplying the basics…food, clothing and shelter. Thus multiplying by the hordes. I’m completely with helping those that can and will make a difference in the world but………..what or should we do? Say enough is enough or continue with feeding the breeding population. There will be a time down the road where we can look back and say it was such a small problem. Isn’t that the way it is today….look back a generation or two. What will happen in the next generation or two…three… or four?
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| I agree Ron. 1.) Why doesn't the photographer give the poor hungry kid a sandwich Or 2.) Why don't we spend the money to move the people where the food is??? Sad, but remember the movie Jurasic Park..."Life will find a way" so if left alone the people will either evolve, move or become extinct.
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treedog (11/13/2007) mat. 25/35-40 bible35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' 37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?' 40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' All well and good, but do we keep feeding the millions till we need to feed the billions?
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| 100 years from now American wetlands and coastlines will probably have been rendered useless for outdoorsmen. For some reason I still give my hard earned dollars to Ducks Unlimited and CCA. Same idea. Plus, if you had diseased and malnourished children I'm sure you'd have a different sentiment.
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Why do scenes of "Blackhawk Down" suddenly come to mind ?
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thats what i was thinking
Black Hawk Down is also a great movie
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| I guess Iraq is going to become dependant on government handouts.
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Excellant point Ron I think those Lions and Tigers in Africa need to grow in populations too so I'm sending a nice juicey steak over there for them instead
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This why I thought one of the funniest but in a way serious things I have heard is Sam Kinison's skit about feed the african children. " It's a desert,aaaauuuugggghhh nothing is ever going to grow there.Why don't we just bring them to the food?"
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i think the money goes to the camera men and the reporters, to help them eat on the field trips they take down there.
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Stumpknocker (11/13/2007) 100 years from now American wetlands and coastlines will probably have been rendered useless for outdoorsmen. For some reason I still give my hard earned dollars to Ducks Unlimited and CCA. Same idea. Plus, if you had diseased and malnourished children I'm sure you'd have a different sentiment.Big difference...With one you have something that is progress in the right direction. With our donations to DU and CCA, you see something is being done. Land purchases are growing every year. Wetlands expanding in hopes for bigger and better breeding grounds for a resource, even if it does what you feel "rendered useless" a "100 years from now". On the other side of the coin you see that same expansion, but in the wrong direction. Still expanding a larger breeding base for what, an even larger breeding base? All looking for a handout so they can breed, as all animals do. That is our purpose on Earth. The average birthrate in Niger is 8 children per woman, imagine that in a country like Niger which is one of the poorest countries in the world, constantly plagued by droughts. Add a rapidly expanding population and you have a recipe for long term poverty and conflict over scarce resources. Somalia and Uganda are not far behind the list with birthrates of 7 and 6.9 children per woman. It also doesn't’t help that in many of these high birth rate countries, culture encourages women to have many children as a sign of fertility ignoring the difficulty in providing for all of them. It is only by managing population numbers can issues such as health care, access to clean water, AIDS, economy and other issues can be dealt with in an effective manner before the growing population of many of these countries render their governments efforts null. African countries have enough problems and adding more people to the equation will not improve things at all. You are so correct....if you had diseased and malnourished children I'm sure you'd have a different sentiment. ...but you know something...I'm blessed and not in that situation. But then again I don’t have 6-8 children knowing that I would have to look for handouts to feed and clothe my children either. So we have to pay for their culture? Sorry not me.
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No one is forcing you to give money, we don't "have" to pay for their 8 children... its simply a donation for food. If someone wants to give a gift, its just that, a gift. Granted, I think education and information on contraceptives would certainly help the situation, but just letting children die off is not the answer, regardless of their skills or purposed "value" to society.
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FenderBender (11/13/2007) No one is forcing you to give money, we don't "have" to pay for their 8 children... its simply a donation for food. If someone wants to give a gift, its just that, a gift. Granted, I think education and information on contraceptives would certainly help the situation, but just letting children die off is not the answer, regardless of their skills or purposed "value" to society. Sorry, I beg to differ...That's BULLSHIT...My hard earned money that's taxed is sent there and I have no choice in the matter.
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Tuna Man (11/13/2007)
FenderBender (11/13/2007) No one is forcing you to give money, we don't "have" to pay for their 8 children... its simply a donation for food. If someone wants to give a gift, its just that, a gift. Granted, I think education and information on contraceptives would certainly help the situation, but just letting children die off is not the answer, regardless of their skills or purposed "value" to society. Sorry, I beg to differ...That's BULLSHIT...My hard earned money that's taxed is sent there and I have no choice in the matter. Oh there is ALWAYS a choice... if there is something so wrong with offering HUMAN BEINGS a basic need of life (food) then you could always move to Canada, or Australia... or better yet... Mexico
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| If I am understanding you correctly, TunaMan, you are proposing that we should let all of these reprobate breeders starve to death (which is, in fact, what is now happening) because they got themselves into this whole mess. Right? I think you are making far too many assumptions. First, that the value of a life is determined by what he or she adds to society (example, they don't deserve help because they are uneducated breeders.) Using the same logic (which is what Hitler did) we should then place an equal standard to our own people...if you are blind, retarded, handicapped in any way, your life is less valuable and therefore should not get the same help as someone who is "whole." Second, you are assuming that the situation will never change. Maybe, maybe not. I ask you, how many children would need to turn out as a success for the program to be justified? 100, 1000, 500,000? The fact is sometimes people change and sometimes nations change. To use the excuse that "nothing will ever change so I'll let them starve" is to give up hope before hope has been given a chance. Third, you are assuming that these people are in this situation because of ignorance. Sometimes this is true, but take Little America (that is Liberia.) They had a booming economy until civil war broke out 20 years ago. The civil war destroyed most all of their infrastructure and has resulted in hungry people. One cannot forget that in most every case, third world countries are controlled by corrupt dictators and governments. Things beyond the average person's ability to control. They can do nothing but wait for help. Fourth, your assumption that these families are just animalistic breeders with no concern for their young. Have you ever been there? I have...when a child dies (or anyone for that matter) there is deep mourning. However, with so much death people tend to get numb to life...and death. We should never think that these women do not love their children. They do...and they give them all they have. Finally, as to why the cameraman doesn't give them his sandwich...I assure you sometimes he does. However, when you have 500 hungry people looking at you and you have 3 sandwiches...who would you give it to? That is a good way to start a riot (I have experienced this as well.) All in all, as Americans we cannot solve all the worlds problems, but we can meet needs when we see them. If you want to know where you stand in the worlds wealth scale check out www.globalrichlist.com. Everyone on this forum is in the top 5%. We are given the choice to "feed the children." If you don't want too, go buy yourself another plasma TV or buy some more fishing gear. If you actually care about human suffering and value all humans equally...then keep your current plasma TV and give 10 bucks to help feed some starving kids. It is your choice.
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jspooney (11/13/2007)
If I am understanding you correctly, TunaMan, you are proposing that we should let all of these reprobate breeders starve to death (which is, in fact, what is now happening) because they got themselves into this whole mess. Right? I think you are making far too many assumptions. First, that the value of a life is determined by what he or she adds to society (example, they don't deserve help because they are uneducated breeders.) Using the same logic (which is what Hitler did) we should then place an equal standard to our own people...if you are blind, retarded, handicapped in any way, your life is less valuable and therefore should not get the same help as someone who is "whole." Second, you are assuming that the situation will never change. Maybe, maybe not. I ask you, how many children would need to turn out as a success for the program to be justified? 100, 1000, 500,000? The fact is sometimes people change and sometimes nations change. To use the excuse that "nothing will ever change so I'll let them starve" is to give up hope before hope has been given a chance. Third, you are assuming that these people are in this situation because of ignorance. Sometimes this is true, but take Little America (that is Liberia.) They had a booming economy until civil war broke out 20 years ago. The civil war destroyed most all of their infrastructure and has resulted in hungry people. One cannot forget that in most every case, third world countries are controlled by corrupt dictators and governments. Things beyond the average person's ability to control. They can do nothing but wait for help. Fourth, your assumption that these families are just animalistic breeders with no concern for their young. Have you ever been there? I have...when a child dies (or anyone for that matter) there is deep mourning. However, with so much death people tend to get numb to life...and death. We should never think that these women do not love their children. They do...and they give them all they have. Finally, as to why the cameraman doesn't give them his sandwich...I assure you sometimes he does. However, when you have 500 hungry people looking at you and you have 3 sandwiches...who would you give it to? That is a good way to start a riot (I have experienced this as well.) All in all, as Americans we cannot solve all the worlds problems, but we can meet needs when we see them. If you want to know where you stand in the worlds wealth scale check out www.globalrichlist.com. Everyone on this forum is in the top 5%. We are given the choice to "feed the children." If you don't want too, go buy yourself another plasma TV or buy some more fishing gear. If you actually care about human suffering and value all humans equally...then keep your current plasma TV and give 10 bucks to help feed some starving kids. It is your choice. WELL SAID... thank you sir
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i say give to our vets. they have given all of us this chance to help others. so START with them. then what is left over help who you can. their should not be a homeless vet in the USA!
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| Ok, most of my (voluntary) charitable giving stays in the USA. I have no problem with helping starving kids overseas, even via our tax dollars. This is probably going to get me in trouble with a few of you. It is absurd to give billions in food aid, and BAN federal $$ to be used for birth control education (as has been done)! Ron makes valid points. Have you ever seen a graph charting the growth of the world's population? If not, you should! If this offends anyone's religious sensibilities, my apologies.
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| I have read most of this, but have wondered this point for yearsssssssssssssssssssssss. While we are shipping food over there every year, after year after year, why don't we ship over birth control??????????????? I know I'm going to catch flack over this question, but why not???? Does anybody ever wonder how they can be so malnourished that they can't stand for more that 10 minutes at a time, but it always seems as thought those kids are in a family (if you want to call it that) with sometimes dozens of kids? Maybe we should come up with a birth control pill that is nourishing and full of daily nutritional requirements. REMEMBER, you heard it here. Wow, another million dollar idea. What's the old saying about killing two birds with one stone????????????? Not trying to derail this post, but hoping somebody could form an opinion that would let me see things in a light other than what I've seen on the tube and in magazines...............
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| This is a very touchy subject and has obviously gotten some emotional responses. In my opinion you cannot ignore the fact that human beings are in dire need and we cannot stand by and watch them starve to death on our high definition plasma TVs. BUT...we also need to focus on the root of the problem and attack it from there. I see Tunaman's point, he is not saying F'em let em starve. He is saying JUST giving them food is not solving the problem but is actually contributing to it. The whole give a man a fish, teach a man to fish analogy. I don't know everything on the subject but I think we can help the hungry people in the short term by sending them food and in the long term by fixing the reason they are not self sufficient, i.e. move out of the desert, overthrow the warlords. Teach them to fish not just give them fish. Just my $.02
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| I did a term paper on this topic my Senior Year of High School, and almost got kicked out of my Lit. Class. At one time Ethiopia was the hunger hotspot on the planet, and we (America) was doing all we could to "help" the Ethiopians. We were providing food, living supplies and medical services that the country had never seen. In my paper I debated that we only made the problem in Ethiopia worse, and built an argument with the fact that practically doubled the population for the future and in doing so doubled the size of the problem. The life expectancy in Ethiopia at one time was less than 30 years before we (America) decided we would "help" them. After we (America) got involved the people there began living longer and in doing so raised the population level. To make matters worse in many third world countries prosperity is gauged on the size of the family and the larger the family the more prosperous. So as the people began to live longer and the families became larger the problem increased 2 fold, and actually the people in that country faced worse living conditions after we (America) "helped" them than before, not to mention we taught them to be dependant on America. It is a very sad thing to think about, but it is very real. I have a friend that is a Doctor in Dothan Alabama. He makes a 3 month mission trip to a small country in Africa every year. When he first started this annual trip his goal was to provide for the people there in an effort to help them, and after several years of providing he realized that he could not have a great impact due to the more he provided the more they would except. He then began to provide education instead of life supporting goods and services. His trips are the same length of time except he plans them based on what he can teach them about caring for themselves and provideding for themselves, and he feels that his future impact is making a greater difference now than before. I am a firm beleiver in helping others, but I also beleive if you give a drug addict money without a source of education, you are hurting them, with good intent of course.
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Tuna Man (11/13/2007)
Stumpknocker (11/13/2007) 100 years from now American wetlands and coastlines will probably have been rendered useless for outdoorsmen. For some reason I still give my hard earned dollars to Ducks Unlimited and CCA. Same idea. Plus, if you had diseased and malnourished children I'm sure you'd have a different sentiment.
Big difference...With one you have something that is progress in the right direction. With our donations to DU and CCA, you see something is being done. Land purchases are growing every year. Wetlands expanding in hopes forbigger and betterbreeding grounds for a resource, even if it does what you feel "rendered useless" a "100 years from now". On the other side of the coin you see that same expansion, but in the wrong direction. Still expanding a larger breeding base for what, an even larger breeding base? All looking for a handout so they can breed, as all animals do. That isour purpose on Earth.The average birthrate in Niger is 8 children per woman, imagine that in a country like Niger which is one of the poorest countries in the world, constantly plagued by droughts. Add a rapidly expanding population and you have a recipe for long term poverty and conflict over scarce resources. Somalia and Uganda are not far behind the list with birthrates of 7 and 6.9 children per woman. It also doesn't’t help that in many of these high birth rate countries, culture encourages women to have many children as a sign of fertility ignoring the difficulty in providing for all of them. It is only by managing population numbers can issues such as health care, access to clean water, AIDS, economy and other issues can be dealt with in an effective manner before the growing population of many of these countries render their governments efforts null. African countries have enough problems and adding more people to the equation will not improve things at all.You are so correct....if you had diseased and malnourished children I'm sure you'd have a different sentiment. ...but you know something...I'm blessed and not in that situation. But then again I don’t have 6-8 children knowing that I would have to look for handouts to feed and clothe my children either. So we have to pay for their culture? Sorry not me.
Dude, this is the Pensacola Fishing Forum, not the Pensacola Fascist Forum.
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Dude, this is the Pensacola Fishing Forum, not the Pensacola Fascist Forum. OK, so now I'm a Vacuous Fascist Asshat. Did you pull that term "Fascist" out of your ass or do you really know what it means. Why do you have to resort to putting a label on me for my thoughts, and not my actions. Dude...label me all you want, but do your homework first to back it up.
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| ASSHAT.......that is my favorite word of all time
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| Calm down Tuna Man, I just wanted to make a smartass comment for once on one of your many politically-angled posts that have little to no relevance to fishing or hunting.
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Stumpknocker (11/14/2007) Calm down Tuna Man, I just wanted to make a smartass comment for once on one of your many politically-angled posts that have little to no relevance to fishing or hunting.Actually, one could easily make a strong case for overpopulation having great relevance to fishing and hunting. For some facts (?) try www.populationinstitute.org
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| this reply is only in reference to treedog's misuse of scripture. he quotes matthew in thinking 'we' as a society ought to help all people because they are our 'brothers'. but Jesus is saying that he was clothed, fed, etc... when someone did the same to "the least of these MY BROTHERS". that last statement is key. a spiritual brother of christ is one whom Christ has made a covenant with to be kings and priests with him in his fathers heavenly government (Rev. 20:6) this is not to say that charity is not incumbent on a christian. it most definitely is. Acts 20:35 comes to mind. the famous quote attributed to Jesus saying there is more happiness in giving than receiving. this could be spiritual or physical giving. at least one thing ron is correct in saying charity begins at home. in the book of 1 or 2nd Timothy chap 2 i think it says christian man is worse than one w/o faith if he does not provide first for his own family. the only hope for mankind is the kingdom of heaven that Jesus taught us to pray for. it is commonly known as the "our father" prayer. his will is being done in heaven, just not completely on earth yet. though this is not a popular idea, the bible teaches that God will restore the earth to a paradise as he originally intended. this means no one going hungry anymore. and by extension it means a whole lot more. just pm me if you really want to know more about the paradise earth statement. i dont mind anyone quoting scripture, i do it all the time. just please use it in the proper context. so just because Jesus says something, doesnt mean we need to apply it for every occasion. flame on
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