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| bayou bandit I'm glad we're on the same page. 
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Xanadu (8/23/2008)
Reading political threads on this site is freaking hilarious. Some of you guys need training wheels to understand the issues and others are so freaking biased they haven't got even the slightest inclination to investigate the facts in the ideological doctrine they've adhered to.
Oh well, at least there's no chance Bush or Clinton will be in again.Another Obama Kool-Aid drinker????
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| biden seems to be as polar opposite as obama as possible in the same party. Lots of things biden is obama has railed against. tells you something.
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seanspots (8/23/2008)
...another liberal loon.Why am I not surprised?
McCain should go with Romney for the economic angle and he should wipe Obomba/Biden fairly easily.It would have been a stronger ticket if it had been Obomba/Clinton but someones ego got in the way.The Messiah just stumbled...again.
I love the way you think. McCain and Romney would be a perfect team.
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AUradar (8/23/2008)
biden seems to be as polar opposite as obama as possible in the same party. Lots of things biden is obama has railed against. tells you something. Actually, what it tells me is that he recognizes his weaknesses and recognizes that although you may not agree on everything you can team up for a common goal. Kinda like a volleyball team has a setter and a spiker, usually one short and one tall, one for digging and one for jumping. aka...a team. I guess one should not recognize his flaws at all, pick someone just like himself and blunder on completely ignorant of the fact they are fools...oh, wait, Bush and Cheney can't be re-elected. McCain need to just pick Romney and roll out. Then we'd have a team that I think most could get behind.
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biden seems to be as polar opposite as obama as possible in the same party. Lots of things biden is obama has railed against.
tells you something.
Actually, what it tells me is that he recognizes his weaknesses and recognizes that although you may not agree on everything you can team up for a common goal.
Kinda like a volleyball team has a setter and a spiker, usually one short and one tall, one for digging and one for jumping. aka...a team.
I guess one should not recognize his flaws at all, pick someone just like himself and blunder on completely ignorant of the fact they are fools...oh, wait, Bush and Cheney can't be re-elected.
McCain need to just pick Romney and roll out. Then we'd have a team that I think most could get behind.
hey now...you're not supposed to give away common sense secrets like that!
to tell you the truth, i'd love to help mccain out – to be a good semaritan, i'd help him hunt down his 50 different homes he has forgotten about over the years
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Reading political threads on this site is freaking hilarious. Some of you guys need training wheels to understand the issues and others are so freaking biased they haven't got even the slightest inclination to investigate the facts in the ideological doctrine they've adhered to.
Oh well, at least there's no chance Bush or Clinton will be in again.
Another Obama Kool-Aid drinker????
No, you fucking moron. Someone who can see past the baby eating muslim emails. Got any more stupidity to share?
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Reading political threads on this site is freaking hilarious. Some of you guys need training wheels to understand the issues and others are so freaking biased they haven't got even the slightest inclination to investigate the facts in the ideological doctrine they've adhered to.
Oh well, at least there's no chance Bush or Clinton will be in again.Another Obama Kool-Aid drinker???? No, you fucking moron. Someone who can see past the baby eating muslim emails. Got any more stupidity to share? Impressive statement! How long did it take you to come up with this gem? Hope you you are not mentally exhausted.
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Make note that in the later part of the 19th century Argentina was the fourth wealthiest country in the world. Economic mismanagement can take its toll. Beware who you let lead you.
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No, you fucking moron. Someone who can see past the baby eating muslim emails. Got any more stupidity to share?
typical response hal...i do my homework and if you think this empty suit is better suited to govern this nation as a world leader then go drink the koolaid...can't stand an atheist anyway...GOD is a forgiving GOD...no matter if you believe or not...how the hell do you think you live in freedom? when it comes to politics, you're mindset is ridiculous...imho...
wouldn't even reply except you decide to call people names and profanity makes ignorance audible...
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[b]Xanadu
No, you fucking moron. Someone who can see past the baby eating muslim emails. Got any more stupidity to share?
typical response hal...i do my homework and if you think this empty suit is better suited to govern this nation as a world leader then go drink the koolaid...can't stand an atheist anyway...GOD is a forgiving GOD...no matter if you believe or not...how the hell do you think you live in freedom? when it comes to politics, you're mindset is ridiculous...imho...
wouldn't even reply except you decide to call people names and profanity makes ignorance audible...
I agree that Obama is a tool. I've never once said anything contrary, but you and the rest who seem to think an extension of the past 8 years is preferable to ANYTHING are mistaken. If you don't like atheists, then perhaps you'd support a moral candidate instead of a war monger who cheats on his wife. And, if you really did any homework, you'd be as pissed off as me about what's happening to our country.
And, btw, I'd be happy to openly discuss politics with you any time. I can defend my ideas with no difficulty at all.
Can you? You want to have a political debate about ideas or discuss Obama vs. McCain? I'd happily take part, but I'd bet that you aren't interested in the truth. I'd suggest you're interested in nothing more than propagating the bullshit you already see as the truth and supporting whoever you're told is the "conservative" candidate.
If you dare to discuss this in public, just let me know. You can explain how conservative you are while telling us how much you like borrowing from your children and explaining how the constitution allows you to give my tax dollars to churches.
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typical again hal...hate the government that gives you the rights to make a living as a free man...i'd classify you as a pessimist...don't care about your ideology either...don't care to debate with someone of your mentality either...nothing is ever going to suit you one way or another...
i don't care especially for the last eight or sixteen years of the administrations that we've been through...i do know that i don't have to debate anything with you because my heart tells me what i need to do...you got kids? i have 24 y/o and a 16 y/o...if you're worrying about what will happen when your kids grow up, they'll be worrying about what happens when their kids grow up...
http://www.forumpictureprocessor.com/gallery.asp?gallery=876 "Above all, we must realize that no arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the worked are so formidable as the will and moral and courage of free men and women. It is a weapon adversaries in today's world do not have". -Ronald Reagan, USA
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Xanadu (8/23/2008)
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No, you fucking moron. Someone who can see past the baby eating muslim emails. Got any more stupidity to share? typical response hal...i do my homework and if you think this empty suit is better suited to govern this nation as a world leader then go drink the koolaid...can't stand an atheist anyway...GOD is a forgiving GOD...no matter if you believe or not...how the hell do you think you live in freedom? when it comes to politics, you're mindset is ridiculous...imho... wouldn't even reply except you decide to call people names and profanity makes ignorance audible... I agree that Obama is a tool. I've never once said anything contrary, but you and the rest who seem to think an extension of the past 8 years is preferable to ANYTHING are mistaken. If you don't like atheists, then perhaps you'd support a moral candidate instead of a war monger who cheats on his wife. And, if you really did any homework, you'd be as pissed off as me about what's happening to our country. And, btw, I'd be happy to openly discuss politics with you any time. I can defend my ideas with no difficulty at all. Can you? You want to have a political debate about ideas or discuss Obama vs. McCain? I'd happily take part, but I'd bet that you aren't interested in the truth. I'd suggest you're interested in nothing more than propagating the bullshit you already see as the truth and supporting whoever you're told is the "conservative" candidate. If you dare to discuss this in public, just let me know. You can explain how conservative you are while telling us how much you like borrowing from your children and explaining how the constitution allows you to give my tax dollars to churches. Xanadu: I agree that Obama is a tool. I've never once said anything contrary, but you and the rest who seem to think an extension of the past 8 years is preferable to ANYTHING are mistaken. Fishwerks: Hal why is it that you assume that Mr. McCain will bring the same leadership as President Bush? Based on what we know and have seen of McCain we will have a significantly stronger and more capable LEADER. If you don't like atheists, then perhaps you'd support a moral candidate instead of a war monger who cheats on his wife. "War Monger"… Mr. McCain is a patriot whom I believe thinks that a strong defense and offense is what is needed to protect the country, all of us, and our allies around the world. Hal come on, he is a leader who will take intelligent steps to protect this country and our way of life. Regarding the affair; McCain has clearly stated that HE is directly responsible for the failure of the marriage, my guess is that after years in a POW camp that upon return the need to “catch up” might skew common sense and honor. His regret is sincere from what I have seen. I would think that most adult men AND women would forgive a man in this situation. And, if you really did any homework, You’d be as pissed off as me about what's happening to our country. Hal, you blame Mr. McCain for the condition of this country? We are in bad shape because of greedy frickin businessmen, business leaders and politicians, not because of solid, selfless leaders like McCain.
And, btw, I'd be happy to openly discuss politics with you any time. I can defend my ideas with no difficulty at all. Sir, why are you challenging a fellow forum member to a political debate?? What’s up with that? Convince us here. Prove your point, showmanship BS is for the school yard or theater.
Can you? You want to have a political debate about ideas or discuss Obama vs. McCain? I'd happily take part, but I'd bet that you aren't interested in the truth. I'd suggest you're interested in nothing more than propagating the bullshit you already see as the truth and supporting whoever you're told is the "conservative" candidate. Hal this evening your rolling in the bullshit. What’s with the attack on the poster…just state your views and communicate, positive is always a good way to go, I don’t recall anyone attacking you.
If you dare to discuss this in public, just let me know. You can explain how conservative you are while telling us how much you like borrowing from your children and explaining how the constitution allows you to give my tax dollars to churches. Over the top Hal. Take a deep breath; get some more Kool-aid and chill and try to share some of the significant gray matter that we know you possess. I think we all realize this one is important. Lets all get smarter together.
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No, you fucking moron. Someone who can see past the baby eating muslim emails. Got any more stupidity to share?
typical response hal...i do my homework and if you think this empty suit is better suited to govern this nation as a world leader then go drink the koolaid...can't stand an atheist anyway...GOD is a forgiving GOD...no matter if you believe or not...how the hell do you think you live in freedom? when it comes to politics, you're mindset is ridiculous...imho...
wouldn't even reply except you decide to call people names and profanity makes ignorance audible...
I agree that Obama is a tool. I've never once said anything contrary, but you and the rest who seem to think an extension of the past 8 years is preferable to ANYTHING are mistaken. If you don't like atheists, then perhaps you'd support a moral candidate instead of a war monger who cheats on his wife. And, if you really did any homework, you'd be as pissed off as me about what's happening to our country.
And, btw, I'd be happy to openly discuss politics with you any time. I can defend my ideas with no difficulty at all.
Can you? You want to have a political debate about ideas or discuss Obama vs. McCain? I'd happily take part, but I'd bet that you aren't interested in the truth. I'd suggest you're interested in nothing more than propagating the bullshit you already see as the truth and supporting whoever you're told is the "conservative" candidate.
If you dare to discuss this in public, just let me know. You can explain how conservative you are while telling us how much you like borrowing from your children and explaining how the constitution allows you to give my tax dollars to churches.
been going on since before our times young man...going back to your atheists belief's...you have a serious problem with the "offerings" we as a country give of our hearts and money to the ministries that we as a GOD willing and GOD giving country give to those that are less fortunate to those that are in dire needs...you as a non believer could not understand...
you are not a bad person and neither am i or most that read this but, i see a flaw and not necessarily you but your way of thinking...do you know what a true conservative is?...
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No, you fucking moron. Someone who can see past the baby eating muslim emails. Got any more stupidity to share? typical response hal...i do my homework and if you think this empty suit is better suited to govern this nation as a world leader then go drink the koolaid...can't stand an atheist anyway...GOD is a forgiving GOD...no matter if you believe or not...how the hell do you think you live in freedom? when it comes to politics, you're mindset is ridiculous...imho... wouldn't even reply except you decide to call people names and profanity makes ignorance audible... I agree that Obama is a tool. I've never once said anything contrary, but you and the rest who seem to think an extension of the past 8 years is preferable to ANYTHING are mistaken. If you don't like atheists, then perhaps you'd support a moral candidate instead of a war monger who cheats on his wife. And, if you really did any homework, you'd be as pissed off as me about what's happening to our country. And, btw, I'd be happy to openly discuss politics with you any time. I can defend my ideas with no difficulty at all. Can you? You want to have a political debate about ideas or discuss Obama vs. McCain? I'd happily take part, but I'd bet that you aren't interested in the truth. I'd suggest you're interested in nothing more than propagating the bullshit you already see as the truth and supporting whoever you're told is the "conservative" candidate. If you dare to discuss this in public, just let me know. You can explain how conservative you are while telling us how much you like borrowing from your children and explaining how the constitution allows you to give my tax dollars to churches. been going on since before our times young man...going back to your atheists belief's...you have a serious problem with the "offerings" we as a country give of our hearts and money to the ministries that we as a GOD willing and GOD giving country give to those that are less fortunate to those that are in dire needs...you as a non believer could not understand... you are not a bad person and neither am i or most that read this but, i see a flaw and not necessarily you but your way of thinking...do you know what a true conservative is?... I bet you can't find 10 "conservatives" on here that will agree on the definition. Not to mention that the perceived "conservative" ideal has changed over the years. So I would say that there is no "true conservative".
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No, you fucking moron. Someone who can see past the baby eating muslim emails. Got any more stupidity to share? typical response hal...i do my homework and if you think this empty suit is better suited to govern this nation as a world leader then go drink the koolaid...can't stand an atheist anyway...GOD is a forgiving GOD...no matter if you believe or not...how the hell do you think you live in freedom? when it comes to politics, you're mindset is ridiculous...imho... wouldn't even reply except you decide to call people names and profanity makes ignorance audible... I agree that Obama is a tool. I've never once said anything contrary, but you and the rest who seem to think an extension of the past 8 years is preferable to ANYTHING are mistaken. If you don't like atheists, then perhaps you'd support a moral candidate instead of a war monger who cheats on his wife. And, if you really did any homework, you'd be as pissed off as me about what's happening to our country. And, btw, I'd be happy to openly discuss politics with you any time. I can defend my ideas with no difficulty at all. Can you? You want to have a political debate about ideas or discuss Obama vs. McCain? I'd happily take part, but I'd bet that you aren't interested in the truth. I'd suggest you're interested in nothing more than propagating the bullshit you already see as the truth and supporting whoever you're told is the "conservative" candidate. If you dare to discuss this in public, just let me know. You can explain how conservative you are while telling us how much you like borrowing from your children and explaining how the constitution allows you to give my tax dollars to churches. been going on since before our times young man...going back to your atheists belief's...you have a serious problem with the "offerings" we as a country give of our hearts and money to the ministries that we as a GOD willing and GOD giving country give to those that are less fortunate to those that are in dire needs...you as a non believer could not understand... you are not a bad person and neither am i or most that read this but, i see a flaw and not necessarily you but your way of thinking...do you know what a true conservative is?... I bet you can't find 10 "conservatives" on here that will agree on the definition. Not to mention that the perceived "conservative" ideal has changed over the years. So I would say that there is no "true conservative".
maybe not pal...but i can assure you that there are more "conservative" thinking minds on here than you think, young and old...you have an abortion in the later stages of their term...the child comes out "born" (still alive)...do you save this child??? according to the "mom's" wishes, the child is to be aborted...the doctor's and nurses oath say's they save the child...obama sides with the moma and he said so...what do you believe in there pal...separates me from a liberal...how 'bout you????
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| Pal? Is this where the insults and threats start? I'll put it like this. I have never been in a situation to need an abortion for a kid I didn't want. I was a responsible adult and took all of the necessary precautions so I wouldn't be put in that situation. I was 25 before I got married and 28 before having 1 child. Had something happened that would have resulted in the need for me to make that decision I would have chosen to have the child and deal with those responsibilites. But, that's me. Those are MY beliefs. I am responsible for me and my family. What you and your family do is up to you. I am not such a meglomaniac that I feel I can tell you how to live your life. I am pro-choice for anyone that wants to be. I am anti-abortion for myself. So, there you have it....pal....
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friends dont let friends vote barack binladen
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Pal? Is this where the insults and threats start?
I'll put it like this. I have never been in a situation to need an abortion for a kid I didn't want. I was a responsible adult and took all of the necessary precautions so I wouldn't be put in that situation. I was 25 before I got married and 28 before having 1 child.
Had something happened that would have resulted in the need for me to make that decision I would have chosen to have the child and deal with those responsibilites. But, that's me. Those are MY beliefs. I am responsible for me and my family. What you and your family do is up to you. I am not such a meglomaniac that I feel I can tell you how to live your life. I am pro-choice for anyone that wants to be. I am anti-abortion for myself.
So, there you have it....pal....
not trying to insult or imply...just trying to make a point...this is what i'm saying...IF you or anyone was put in a situation such as this...what would you do/think??? the messiah has spoken and he said it was up to the "mother" if the the child was to be saved or not...what do you think??? separates what i think and other...sorry for the "pal" thing...just a bit of rant...
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| Well, I look at it like this. I have the luxury of having my own opinion and not having to give one rats ass if anyone else agrees. But then, I'm not in office. I think that too often people look at a politician and his "stances" and think that he or she truly believes in that cause. That's not the case at all. And there are many nuances to each and every bill. Often, politicians vote for something that they don't believe in just because some stipulation further down in the bill is what they really want. This is where the line item veto would be nice. Too much power but it woudl be nice. He is a representative of a group of people and that group of people happens to, as a majority(not a whole), believe that abortion is the womans choice. Not every liberal is for abortion. When Obama, or McCain talks they are not expressing their personal opinion. They are expressing the opinion of the majority of their backers as they see it. Sometimes that is even wrong. When it is wrong it is usually evidenced in their approval rating. This is the great misunderstanding. Also, when a president gets in office his stances always start to change because now he is responsible to the entire nation and not just half of it. This is what truly makes a great president, the ability to recognize that up to 50% of the nation does not agree with him and that he is going to have to relax on some of his polarizing issues knowing that not EVERYONE is behind it. This is where I believe that GW made his greatest mistakes. He tried to please only conservatives, the problem is that he assumed(incorrectly) that all conservatives were 100% the same. Well, guess what, just like liberals are not all for abortion not all conservatives think that war solves all foreign policy issues.
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Begin quote.. "The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage." end quote .... read this and take heed. The nation is heading towards DEPENDENCY very quickly and you know which candidate is a proponent of that. Has anyone noticed the recent influx of voters being registered lately sponsored in large by "special interest groups"? They don't know JACK SHIT about policies or past voting records of either candidate. Totally ignorant and extremely unprepared to vote in a national election...but hey that's their right, unfortunately. All they want to know is if the guy is black and what other kind of shit can I get for free. Don't worry about it though, those of us who work will pay for it.
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Ultralite (8/23/2008)
typical again hal...hate the government that gives you the rights to make a living as a free man...i'd classify you as a pessimist.....
Pragmatist would be more appropriate, but the fundamental difference you're going to find between you and I is that you believe government gives us rights, where I believe - as did the framers of the Constitution - that those rights were given to us by our creator (or happenstance as in my case) and that we, as men, are obliged to earn that freedom and rights by being a careful student of politics and not blindly adhering to that which is preached by men with less than noble motives.
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Pal? Is this where the insults and threats start?
I'll put it like this. I have never been in a situation to need an abortion for a kid I didn't want. I was a responsible adult and took all of the necessary precautions so I wouldn't be put in that situation. I was 25 before I got married and 28 before having 1 child.
Had something happened that would have resulted in the need for me to make that decision I would have chosen to have the child and deal with those responsibilites. But, that's me. Those are MY beliefs. I am responsible for me and my family. What you and your family do is up to you. I am not such a meglomaniac that I feel I can tell you how to live your life. I am pro-choice for anyone that wants to be. I am anti-abortion for myself.
So, there you have it....pal....
not trying to insult or imply...just trying to make a point...this is what i'm saying...IF you or anyone was put in a situation such as this...what would you do/think??? the messiah has spoken and he said it was up to the "mother" if the the child was to be saved or not...what do you think??? separates what i think and other...sorry for the "pal" thing...just a bit of rant...
I think the conservative approach to this issue is twofold. One should have the foresight and responsibility to not need an abortion. In the case that two irresponsible individuals find themselves in need of one, then the conservative among us would refer to The Constitution which makes no restriction on religion or abortion. Therefore, imho, they must be allowed to have one - again imho - up until the moment the baby would be independently viable.
But, in all honesty, as a govt and country, our approach should be to eliminate the need rather than restrict the terms. As a pragmatist, I'd suggest sex ed and better parenting would eliminate much of the need for abortion. Beyond that, there are just too many idiots.
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If you don't like atheists, [b]then perhaps you'd support a moral candidate instead of a war monger who cheats on his wife. And, if you really did any homework, you'd be as pissed off as me about what's happening to our country.
And, btw, I'd be happy to openly discuss politics with you any time. I can defend my ideas with no difficulty at all.
Hey you can call him whatever you want but you are able to live in this country and have freedoms because of him. He was a POW. So why dont you show some respect to someone that allows you to live in The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
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Yeah, we should listen to the guy that takes his politcal truth from cartoons....wow.
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