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Posted 8/22/2008 10:42:26 PM


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Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court on Grounds he is Constitutionally Ineligible for the Presidency

by Jeff Schreiber
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A prominent Philadelphia attorney and Hillary Clinton supporter filed suit this afternoon in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission. The action seeks an injunction preventing the senator from continuing his candidacy and a court order enjoining the DNC from nominating him next week, all on grounds that Sen. Obama is constitutionally ineligible to run for and hold the office of President of the United States.

Philip Berg, the filing attorney, is a former gubernatorial and senatorial candidate, former chair of the Democratic Party in Montgomery (PA) County, former member of the Democratic State Committee, and former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania. According to Berg, he filed the suit--just days before the DNC is to hold its nominating convention in Denver--for the health of the Democratic Party.

"I filed this action at this time," Berg stated, "to avoid the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated.".

Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator's background, and in today's lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls "dual loyalties" due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

Berg cites inconsistent accounts of Sen. Obama's birth, including reports that he was born at two separate hospitals--Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital--in Honolulu, as well a profound lack of birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham, though simple "registry of birth" records for Barack Obama are available in a Hawaiian public records office.

Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

Moreover, even if Sen. Obama could have somehow been deemed "natural born," that citizenship was lost in or around 1967 when he and his mother took up residency in Indonesia, where Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen. Berg also states that he possesses copies of Sen. Obama's registration to Fransiskus Assisi School In Jakarta, Indonesia which clearly show that he was registered under the name "Barry Soetoro" and his citizenship listed as Indonesian.

The Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg says, is a forgery. In the suit, the attorney states that the birth certificate on record is a forgery, has been identified as such by three independent document forensic experts, and actually belonged to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, Sen. Obama's half-sister.

"Voters donated money, goods and services to elect a nominee and were defrauded by Sen. Obama's lies and obfuscations," Berg stated. "If the DNC officers ... had performed one ounce of due diligence we would not find ourselves in this emergency predicament, one week away from making a person the nominee who has lost their citizenship as a child and failed to even perform the basic steps of regaining citizenship as prescribed by constitutional laws."

"It is unfair to the country," he continued, "for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question of the ability to serve if elected."

This is going to be a four bagger

 

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WOW! This election finally has something that has captured my attention. Interesting...

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Posted 8/22/2008 11:01:51 PM


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i bet john mccain is happy

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Clintons at work?

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Posted 8/23/2008 1:43:56 AM


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Clintons at work?

You think...I wouldn't put it past either of them. But it could of been started from either side.

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This has been out there for a while and it was determined that nothing would come of it.

 It was also debated if McCain was eligible because he was born out of the country.(On a US base in Panama I believe)

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This has been out there for a while and it was determined that nothing would come of it.

 It was also debated if McCain was eligible because he was born out of the country.(On a US base in Panama I believe)

I believe, and Ron might be able to correct me, if you are born on a military base that is considered the good ole USA soil...

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Father an Admiral on a US base? yes I think he's a citizen. The other is interesting and backs up some of the rumors. I say Clinton's are gearing up. No Hillary for VP either.

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And the thunder from the wiled eyed, left wing Obama worshiping snooze media over this revelation is what? So deafening we cannot hear it.



 

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This has been out there for a while and it was determined that nothing would come of it.

It was also debated if McCain was eligible because he was born out of the country.(On a US base in Panama I believe)


I believe, and Ron might be able to correct me, if you are born on a military base that is considered the good ole USA soil...


You don't even have to be born on base. My son was born off base in England, and he is a US citizen.
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This has been out there for a while and it was determined that nothing would come of it.

It was also debated if McCain was eligible because he was born out of the country.(On a US base in Panama I believe)


I believe, and Ron might be able to correct me, if you are born on a military base that is considered the good ole USA soil...


You don't even have to be born on base. My son was born off base in England, and he is a US citizen.

 Correct... John McCain was born in 1936 at a Navy hospital at Coco Solo Naval Air Station, Colon, Canal Zone Panama

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This has been out there for a while and it was determined that nothing would come of it.

It was also debated if McCain was eligible because he was born out of the country.(On a US base in Panama I believe)


I believe, and Ron might be able to correct me, if you are born on a military base that is considered the good ole USA soil...


You don't even have to be born on base. My son was born off base in England, and he is a US citizen.


But he's not natural born.


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This has been out there for a while and it was determined that nothing would come of it.

It was also debated if McCain was eligible because he was born out of the country.(On a US base in Panama I believe)


I believe, and Ron might be able to correct me, if you are born on a military base that is considered the good ole USA soil...


You don't even have to be born on base. My son was born off base in England, and he is a US citizen.


But he's not natural born.

Actually, my thoughts on this subject are that NEITHER McCain, NOR Obama are eligible to hold office of the President of the United States.....PERIOD

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Constitution for the United States of America

Article. II.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, (only 13 of them at this time) at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

First keep in mind that when the farmers wrote the Constitution, that they NEVER for saw the fact that that 1) The United States would be larger then the 13 original states, 2) A natural born Citizen was/is a person born in THE United States, with the date exception. 3) Naturalization, Citizenship is NOT synonymous with "Natural Born Citizen" 4) The 3 branches of Govt CAN NOT change the meaning of NATURAL BORN CITIZEN 5) Never for saw that we would have military bases, foreign embassies around the world.

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights

 

§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
 
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
 
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
 
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
 
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
 
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
 
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
 
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
 
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
 
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.
 
Nowhere are the words "Natural Born Citizen" mentioned outside Article II
 
When I was in High School Barry Goldwater was running for President, he was born in Arizona, before Arizona was admitted into the Union, although it was never addressed.

 

 

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First keep in mind that when the farmers wrote the Constitution

 

HUH??????

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First keep in mind that when the farmers wrote the Constitution

 

HUH??????

Would farmers of the Constitution be better wording?

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First keep in mind that when the farmers wrote the Constitution

 

HUH??????

Would farmers of the Constitution be better wording?

 

I think FRAMERS of the Constitution if what he was refering to.

Jeff

 

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First keep in mind that when the farmers wrote the Constitution



HUH??????


Would farmers of the Constitution be better wording?




I think FRAMERS of the Constitution if what he was refering to.

Jeff



Agreed, and he obviously hasn't the intellectual capacity to understand what "outlying possessions" mean.


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Agreed, and he obviously hasn't the intellectual capacity to understand what "outlying possessions" mean.[/quote]

I obviously have the intellectual capacity to understand what "outlying possessions" mean... I feel that neither is qualified for the posistion... now you made me do more research and here it is.

US presidential candidates born outside the US

"The constitutional wording has left doubts about whether those born on foreign soil are on an equal footing with those whose birth occurred inside the country's borders, and whether they have the same rights."[1] Though every president and vice president to date (as of 2008) has either been a citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, or else born in a U.S. state or Washington D.C.[2], a number of presidential candidates have been born elsewhere.[3]

Barry Goldwater, who ran as the Republican party nominee in 1964, was born in Arizona while it was still a U.S. territory. Although Arizona was not a state, it was a fully organized and incorporated territory of the United States.[4]

George Romney, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 1968, was born in Mexico to U.S. parents. Romney’s grandfather emigrated to Mexico in 1886 with his three wives and children after Utah outlawed polygamy. Romney's parents retained their U.S. citizenship and returned to the United States in 1912. Romney was 32 years old when he arrived in Michigan.

John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the presumptive Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[5] federal law states that "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States".[6] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was bornalbeit with retrospective effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[7] However, the question as to whether or not he is a citizen from birth cannot be answered by this law because (1) it took effect after his birth and (2) it does not state that the person's citizenship was acquired at birth, only that they are a citizen by means of the law's establishment (and, hence, at the time the law takes effect). Indeed, the law in 1936 stated that all persons born to US citizens outside the "limits and jurisdictions of the United States" but the problem is that the Panama Canal Zone was within the limits and jurisdictions of the United States. Thus, the status of Mr. McCain remains unsettled.[8]

Now, I wrote my thoughts as how I feel about BOTH candidates qualifications of citizenship and not as fact, yet you come on and basically tell me I'm stupid and your the all mighty know it all. If the legal status of John McCain remains unsettled by our own government how in the F**K can you make the judgment call as to fact that he is qualified by virtue of the "outlying possessions" phrase?

Being a citizen is of no problem I know he is..what I have a problem with is the words...Natural Born...Citizen...and...National and their meanings. Yes McCain IS a citizen of the United States, but a Natural Born Citizen....who knows? Why is the term "Natural Born Citizen" not addressed in the 14th amendment as such?

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All that bold type and colorful bs and you didn't even get it. Ask yourself the question if the birthplace of McCain or Obama would be considered outlying possessions. If so, then it appears the Supreme Court and I and the rest of the majority of the country consider it a done deal. All these suits are political ploys aimed at raising suspicion and its what is wrong with our country. Personally, I think neither of these 2 idiots are qualified to be president, but the question of citizenship doesn't come into the frame for me. And, I'll point out that when the two men filled out their paperwork to run for president and their filings were accepted, the issue was settled. The talk about Obama's citizenship has been passed along here in several spam emails - one by you that went so far as to say HI wasn't a state when he was born. The same crap about the Canal Zone has come up too. Don't you think that the FEC or other federal agency would have launched it's own investigation into either claim if there were even the slightest bit there? Or, do you think we'd leave the issue to partisan ideologues to file civil suits of questionable intent?

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If McCain was born somewhere while his father was serving our country I think he is more of a us citizen than anyone that is born in the United States. Just my thoughts.

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It's all a bunch of crap...read what snopes.com has to say.  Shame on you for being duped by internet spam.

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Harry...there is NOTHING on Snopes regarding the lawsuit.Only the one about not being eligable for being born in Hawaii.

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Harry Brosofsky (8/24/2008)
It's all a bunch of crap...read what snopes.com has to say.  Shame on you for being duped by internet spam. Harry

Harry...If you rely on Snopes as Gospel, then what does "UNDETERMINED" mean. I'd like to see the link you refer to and read it. My contention is what does "Natural Born Citizen" actually mean vrs what is written in the 14th admendment..in Article II...no one really knows or can say. Like I said..it is my take on the wording. I see it coming out as they both meet the requirements.

kingfish501 (8/24/2008)
Harry...there is NOTHING on Snopes regarding the lawsuit.Only the one about not being eligable for being born in Hawaii.

This also addresses the law suit issue. But I believe that the COPY of Obahma's Birth Certificate/Record of Birth supplied has some issues. Of course these issues will be addressed in the suit.

Mythbusters, and Snopes are NOT always correct, but a good place to start. 

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