|
|
|
Trigger
 
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: 11/12/2009 9:45:25 PM
Posts: 260,
Visits: 848
|
|
I hearda short piece on the 4 o'clock news about a divemaster being charged with the death of a student. The student panicked and surfaced.
Anyone know the details?
thanks, Reese
|
|
|
|
|
Snapper
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: 2/5/2010 9:20:00 PM
Posts: 456,
Visits: 5,054
|
|
|
|
|
|
Sailfish
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: Yesterday @ 4:25:56 PM
Posts: 1,619,
Visits: 6,934
|
|
What a crock of sh#t! That's a cardinal rule. I refuse to believe any certified instructor would be so negligent as to neglect to teach students the most important rule in scuba diving - DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH WHILE ASCENDING! But again, imbeciles on the jury and a slick lawyer.
_______________________________________________________________________________ http://www.nra.org/home.aspx
"The right of self-defense never ceases. It is among the most sacred, and alike necessary to nations and to individuals." James Monroe
|
|
|
|
|
Sailfish
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: Today @ 1:21:57 PM
Posts: 1,497,
Visits: 4,742
|
|
How deep was this pool of death? This sounds rediculous.
Fish On!!!
|
|
|
|
|
Grouper
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: Today @ 3:29:57 PM
Posts: 977,
Visits: 7,577
|
|
| You can suffer a fatal embolism from as little as 4 feet of water. Extreme, but it is possible. This is why I cringe every time I hear of someone letting a friend or child "try" scuba in a swimming pool - "It's just a pool". Please don't do this...PLEASE
|
|
|
|
|
Mingo
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: 2 days ago @ 7:20:48 PM
Posts: 123,
Visits: 1,864
|
|
| what i read in the news journal was that a 16 year old female student was in 26 feet of water. when she surfaced she was in trouble and cpr was given but was pronounced dead at a local hospital on key largo. her father which is a certified diver was there as well. i wonder where the instructor was?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------    Southern Comfort Tile and Flooring 850-982-2739
|
|
|
|
|
Mingo
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: 2 days ago @ 7:20:48 PM
Posts: 123,
Visits: 1,864
|
|
oops!! wrong storey
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Southern Comfort Tile and Flooring 850-982-2739
|
|
|
|
|
Grouper
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: Today @ 3:29:57 PM
Posts: 977,
Visits: 7,577
|
|
| 2 different cases. The girl was this past weekend. The AU case was last year.
|
|
|
|
|
Sailfish
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: Today @ 1:21:57 PM
Posts: 1,497,
Visits: 4,742
|
|
Evensplit (7/29/2008)
You can suffer a fatal embolism from as little as 4 feet of water. Extreme, but it is possible. This is why I cringe every time I hear of someone letting a friend or child "try" scuba in a swimming pool - "It's just a pool". Please don't do this...PLEASE True and I agree but my point was that she was maybe 16.5' deep (the depth of AU's pool) if she was laying down and gasped a lung full of air, and held it and shot to the surface true she could have got an air embolism. But there has to be more to the story in order to charge an instructor with a crime. I think there is something that wasnt released in the story.
Fish On!!!
|
|
|
|
|
Grouper
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: Today @ 3:29:57 PM
Posts: 977,
Visits: 7,577
|
|
| If she was indicted on "negligence" there could have been a violation of standards or something to that effect. Not going to speculate but will be watching this one closely - could set a HUGE precedent.
|
|
|
|
|
Grouper
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: Today @ 3:35:11 PM
Posts: 957,
Visits: 5,165
|
|
| It would seem to me that if she had 20 people in her class and all of them failed to do it then sure, she must have made a mistake if everyone missed it, but the fact that none of the other students died would make it hard to show that. There has to be a point where the student is to blame.
|
|
|
|
|
Ruby Red Lip
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: 2/3/2010 5:24:20 PM
Posts: 76,
Visits: 127
|
|
WW2 (7/30/2008)
It would seem to me that if she had 20 people in her class and all of them failed to do it then sure, she must have made a mistake if everyone missed it, but the fact that none of the other students died would make it hard to show that. There has to be a point where the student is to blame.
I wouldn't say that would be the case. Just because something doesn't hurt everyone, doesn't mean it is proper or safe. The instructor very well could've been operating outside of accepted recreational training standards. If the bulk of the diving community doesn't accept that instructor's training methods, then the instructor is sitting in a pretty lonely place, legally speaking. With the instructor being in a position that brings both authority and trust, a student wouldn't see their instruction as especially harmful. An unfortunate incident all around.
Also, I agree with evensplit, if you are not a professional, do not attempt to "train" a non-diver in any sense. It may seem harmless to throw a family member or friend in the pool with a tank, but the evidence shows otherwise. All too often I hear of people doing this without imparting crucial safety information. I fully believe NAUI's credo, "Diving Safety through Education." There are plenty of trained instructors all over the world that have dedicated themselves safely training divers, seek them out and have a much more safe and fun diving experience!! 
--------------------------------------------------------------------Dive til it hurts; hang til it stops Josh -- MBT Divers
|
|
|
|
|
Ruby Red Lip
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: 1/8/2010 1:50:26 PM
Posts: 38,
Visits: 167
|
|
| This happened last spring at the university of alabama and the dive instructer was just recently charged with negligent homicide. The instructer suposedly left the students in one side of the pool to go do some private lessons with some other people on the other side of the pool. She left some less experinced divers in charge well they did a drill where they took off their gear at depth and then surfaced and apparently the student freaked and shot to the surface causing an air embolism. I don't agree with the charge at all. Im sure the instructor explained the drill to them and i doubt it was the first time they had done it and like already stated i can't imagine the instructor not telling her students the number one rule in diving, always breathe! Once at depth there wouldn't be much the instructor could do to stop the student from flipping out and shooting to the top anyways
|
|
|
|
|
Snapper
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: Yesterday @ 4:07:48 PM
Posts: 458,
Visits: 1,743
|
|
| When you guys say "air embolism", are you refering to a pneumothorax? I believe that would be a more likey scenario as holding your breath cant really cause any type of "air embolism." Chris
|
|
|
|
|
Trigger
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: 1/11/2010 8:03:31 AM
Posts: 258,
Visits: 2,671
|
|
| Actually......this may be what you guys might be looking for......... "Arterial gas embolism (AGE) is one of the diving disorders SCUBA divers sometimes suffer when they receive pressure damage(barotrauma) to their lungs following a (rapid) ascent where the breath is inappropriately held against a closed glottis, allowing pressure to build up inside the lungs, relative to the blood. It is termed "gas" because the diver may be using a diving breathing gas other than air. The gas bubbles can impede the flow of oxygen-rich blood to the brain and vital organs by destroying "alveoli" in the damaged lung(s). They can also cause clots to form in blood vessels." And...of course, pneumothorax as stated.
______________________________________________________________________________I do what the voices in my regulator tell me to. Carolina Skiff 1655 DLX Yamaha F50TLR
|
|
|
|
|
Grouper
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: 1/13/2010 12:04:39 PM
Posts: 885,
Visits: 1,144
|
|
Evensplit (7/29/2008)
2 different cases. The girl was this past weekend. The AU case was last year. Jim, Jim, Jim, I am extremely disappointed in you! Alabama is U of A 
This is AU 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations James 1:2 If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there your hand will lead me, and your right hand will lay hold of me Psalms 139: 9-10 
|
|
|
|
|
Grouper
Group: Forum Members
Last Login: Today @ 3:29:57 PM
Posts: 977,
Visits: 7,577
|
|
|