Scott,

like in my first post, I want to send congrats to your cousin for catching a blue.  And as long as the fish wasnt waisted, then hey, everything that was done is legal.  But looking back, do you think they would have done things differently knowing what they know now???  And sure, that is the easy question to ask and answer, but the point I am trying to make is hopefully someone will learn from this, knowing that even within a few hours, a fish will shrink, and next time just tag the fish and let him grow up for another tourny to win BIG MONEY.  I do understand your passon on this subject.  But I must disagree a little to the extent of with the weak calcutta and weak turnout, no boat was up to make substantial money.  

This to shall pass

Wes 

Harry

i dont know you from from any other part of this world but this forum...

what i would like to know is that if your so concerned about the killing of fish, why arent you posting on the threads that everyone has of them keeping their limit of "endangered snapper"

we all know if you have a record breaking snapper or a keeper snapper its coming home.

whats the difference in bringing a snapper to the scales or a marlin???

i do value your thoughts and opinions, i just disagree with them....

Screw the naysayers and the negitive posts.

Go Hug a tree!  I'll think of you when I sink the cold steel into one

Carpe Thunnus

I support commercial snapper fishing.

Im glad sammy and them killed it i prob would have done the same thing. Everybody makes mistakes. Im sure that you have done something that you look back at and are like damn i shouldnt have done that. I can gurantee that they wont do it again. Sammy and crew are good people i wish them luck in future tournys

                                                                                                                                                                  

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Blue marlin eating sharks?????????   that is going to be hard for me to put a circle hook bridled on the head of a shark when I live bait    plus that little bastard will eat my other hard tails       just trying to add a little humor to the situation

Hmmmm... A little bonnett head might track verrrry interestingly....

"Hope is not an acceptable course of action."

And again, I didn't say they did anything illegal, heck I don't think I even said he killed it (it mnight have died in the fight).  Still, I think killing marlin is a poor practice.  I'd like my grandkids to be able to catch marlin someday, and with the state of the marlin population as it is, it is doubtful they'll have that chance, especially as long as marlin are being killed just for the sake of money tournaments.

Harry

i'd be willing to bet that there are more marlin killed in ONE DAY in costa rica then there are killed on the gulf coast in ONE YEAR...

give it a rest,

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I don't do much bottom fishing and I can't tell you the last time I caught a red snapper.  I do some spreafinshing, but never take a full bag and rarely if ever take red snapper (I don't really like the taste of snapper...I prefer AJ).  Additionally, when I do bottom fish, I catch for meat, not for prize money...big difference.  Also, snapper are not an apex predator, another huge difference.  Add to that the fact that shrimpers (which I don't support) indiscriminately kill juvenile snapper...recreational fishing doesn't even make a dent in snapper stocks.  Finally, scientists can't even agree on whether snapper is even truly on the brink, but they pretty much all agree that marlin are.

Harry

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so you would take a AJ..thats a 1 per person limit over a 2 per person limit of snapper???

seems like you are taking a fish that is more endangered than we are.....

im just trying to make light of this whole deal

IMO, you are wrong and they thought they were bringing in a legal fish. To say TEARS of disappointment because it wasn't a tourny legal fish is JUST WRONG.

Have you meet SAM ?

Have you ever seen a post in 4 years about them taking a marlin?

Ask those questions before you say the man was out for money.

MY GOD MAN, HE IS FISHING ON A MILLION DOLLAR BOAT. WHY DO YOU THINK HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT 30K.

No, Murph.  It was not a good job.  I like Sam and all, but killing a non-tourney fish is stupid.  If you ask him, he'll probably tell you it was a mistake and whatever deckie was measuring and telling them to kill the short fish ought to have his ass beat.  In fact, there are numerous other tournaments where he would be banned for life for killing a non-tourney qualifying fish.  And, if you're talking about naysayers and negative posts as those who don't think you should kill them for anything, I agree.  But, if you're talking about those of us who think breaking the rules of a tournament are wrong, and then citing sportsmanship, then you and anyone who agrees with you are wrong.

Killing a fish that doesn't qualify for the tourney is a reason to be disqualified.  The PBGFC dockmaster should never have weighed the fish and Sam and the crew, imho, should never have showed up at the dock with a short fish.  I admire them for showing up in public and taking their medicine because a short kill is not what they wanted to do.  Better to be upfront like a man and take the DQ than behaving like that POS at Baypoint a few years back and toss it in the bay.

There will be a discussion about the weiging of a short fish at our next meeting and I will report back as to what is said. Perhaps we could move this to a Tag and Release only with the exception of over 110 or something, but another short fish weighed in should result in a lifetime ban from the tourney and complete DQ from all categories. That is why we have rules, my friends.

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guys, give it a rest. i was @ the weigh ins also, you could tell those guys were really upset about killing this fish, hell one of them had tears in his eyes. how do you know this fish wasnt already dead? at least they didnt waste it. give them a break. im sure they've had it hard enough already. hell you guys holding up these billfish out of the water are doing as much harm as was done to this fish.

We know the fish wasn't dead at gaffing by looking at it and because they've not told us so.  Don't make excuses for men who aren't making any for themselves.  To date, they've stood up and taken the DQ like they should.  If nothing else, they've taken the punishment for the mistake like men.

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hang it up harry....i just want to say congratulations to the game on and crew that was a great fish and im glad to hear slammy is servin some tomrow at his restraunt.  harry if you are so damn concerned about people killing fish maybe you should take up another sport. its reality people kill fish   and will continue to so take your argument somewhere else

I second that! Congrat's to the angler, captain, and crew of the Game On. I am now well versed on the definition of "apex predator". I do believe if I hear that term again I'll   

Kilroy was here!

was wondering the same thing...

how much difference does a whole 3 inches make...

i'd figure it would be better if it was 99", that way if your fish is short, you're really screwed... so you'd want to make damn sure it measures up.

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The fish was legal end of story.  THere is no reason to DQ them, they did nothing legally wrong.  Should someone who kills an 18lb weehoo to eat be automatically DQ'ed because it doesn't make the 20lb minimum?

Carpe Thunnus

I support commercial snapper fishing.

In baseball, they have a strike zone, base runners and the alltime hated balk rule.  In football, there's even a stupid tuck rule.  In fishing there are minimums.  If you violate the rules, you lose.  In Marlin fishing, if you hang a short fish, you get ridiculed and DQd.  In commercial snapper fishing or whatever you like, all bets are off.

If you don't understand that sportsmanship includes rules, you should call your daddy and ask him to explain.

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