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I agree. with money on the line thats a chance you gotta take
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MULLET HUNTER (7/7/2008)
must have struck a vein......i mean nerve......you two have to be dateing.....jcno, there is just no need for such a personal attack when all he said was " I'll kill a fish in a tournament" hell, i would too, and never think twice! I wasn't aware the pier had billfish tournaments..... I guess you tie your flying gaff to the pier cart.......
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MULLET HUNTER (7/7/2008)
"blood will be shed on any boat I work." Wow HOO!! sounds like you got lots of expirence in the bluewater, me im just getting started, mabye we can do lunch sometime at say, "Orange Beach Marina" and you can give me a few pointers, that is if you wake up in time for lunch off someones boat?? that would be swell!!!hell' id even buy lunch!!!!! JC
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Caspr21 (7/7/2008)
I also think that is puts a bad taste in the mouth of people about the Pensacola International. A tourny that is already having a hard time surviving in the tourny world and just to have a fish block and tackled off of the tower to stretch it to make it a tourny legal fish. I just hope this provides a learning opportunity for future tournies that if the fish hits right on the mark in the water, you better just tag it and send it to grow up cause he isn't going to be tourny legal. Also, it sucks for Game On, because as of now, they are going to be remembered as the boat that killed the fish that was too small in the 2008 international, not from the other tournies that they have done well in. Just my opinionWell said!
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Caspr21 (7/7/2008)
I also think that is puts a bad taste in the mouth of people about the Pensacola International. A tourny that is already having a hard time surviving in the tourny world and just to have a fish block and tackled off of the tower to stretch it to make it a tourny legal fish. I just hope this provides a learning opportunity for future tournies that if the fish hits right on the mark in the water, you better just tag it and send it to grow up cause he isn't going to be tourny legal. Also, it sucks for Game On, because as of now, they are going to be remembered as the boat that killed the fish that was too small in the 2008 international, not from the other tournies that they have done well in. Just my opinionWOW!!! IF that was me YOU AND I would have to meet up and talk about you talking about being the remembered boat that killed a LEGAL fish.
Look man your coments are not called for, quit badmouthing people and their boats. If you dont like what happened then go on and dont read about it. Apperantly you dont like it so leave and dont read about it its that damn easy.. Ps: I have some Hateraid for you, just let me know if you want it.
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bluffman2 (7/7/2008)
yellow not directed at you......... it was a legal fish..call it short or call it what ya want to...everyones is bitching cause this "LEGAL" fish was brought in......laws state a min. size and that size was met...... whether it be snapper,grouper,mahi or billfish, if someone abides by the "laws" then let it be....tournament or not....NO LAWS WERE BROKEN.........maybe some moral issues were hurt but it was all LEGAL!!! Agreed! Whether you like it or not, it was legal so let it be.
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| yes my brother was on the boat yes they used a "measuring device" yes the capt made the call to kill it and my brother asked him again to be sure he said yes to kill it before he stuck him yes it was a legal kill yes it did not qualify for weighing in the tourney yes the fish measure 101 1/4 on one side and 100 3/4 on the other side does this thread piss me off...no, but I think calling it a short fish is misleading as an illegal catch(well it wasn't) ,but it did not qualify for the tourney. to take aim at the boat its captain or crew saying they made a mistake is in my opinion stupid they made a legal catch what is a mistake about that? its not there fault for the laws so take it up with the right people.
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| I knew the minute I saw that fish come in that night that this thread was inevitable. Having tagged a number of fish and boated one large one, I think I can say without a doubt that we would not have killed a fish that we knew was that close to being both tournament and federally illegal. It's so easy for all of us to armchair quarterback, but the bottom line is that it was too close to call on the water, so just release it. Remember, one less inch and they would have been DSQ'd AND reported to federal authorities. At minimum the tournament should have followed its own rules and not weighed the fish. The good thing is that maybe the tournament committee will continue to raise the minimums. There should be a bigger spread between federal minimum and tournament minimum to keep anglers out of trouble.
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mpmorr (7/6/2008)
Personally, when I looked at Hal's old avatar, that was all the motivation I needed. Putting your hand on one of those is truly APEX meets APEX. Hey, I've got one of those pictures... 
As for killing the tournament short blue, I think everything will be fine. I think there are a lot more blues out there than people think. One fish killed, I think the population will survive!
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Harry Brosofsky (7/7/2008)
Blue Hoo, BTW, please keep your racist remarks off the forum...
Please tell me where I threw out a racist remark?
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| Hey true king, what blue is that????? One from this weekend????
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Caspr21 (7/8/2008)
Hey true king, what blue is that????? One from this weekend????Haha, I wish! That was one we caught on a charter in St. Thomas. If I would have entered the tournament and got that fish...
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| Bow Down...They are indeed apex predators, at least according to NMFS...see http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/sfa/hms/Billfish/billfish_description.pdf. Also, see http://afrf.org/iattcpress080108.pdf which lists Marlin, Spearfish, Sailfish, and Swordfish as the oceean's pelagic apex predators. Chris, you wrote: That in your opinion there are plenty of Marlin...if this is true, why did only one come to the scales with serveal dozen boats fishing for them? To whomever is still confused about what I wrote, I never said they did anything illegal by bringing in that fish. It is in fact quite legal to take Blue Marlin (assuming the meet the length requirements). However, I just think it is senseless. Harry
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Thanks for the link Harry, I will agree that blue marlin are predators but still disagree that they are apex predators. Sharks and orcas are apex predators, animals that are at the top of the food chain. Very few apex predators have enemies. Although some animals do eat sharks (such as orcas) and some sharks eat other sharks, few animals ever attack white sharks or orcas.
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| What is it that you think eats Blue Marlin? Harry
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Blue Hoo, BTW, please keep your racist remarks off the forum... Please tell me where I threw out a racist remark? I'm stratchin my head on this one as well. Did I miss something?
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Blue Hoo, BTW, please keep your racist remarks off the forum... Please tell me where I threw out a racist remark? You refered to Casprs "black ass". Downtime2 deleted it. Deny it if you'd like, but I would not have posted it if you had not written it. Harry
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Harry Brosofsky (7/8/2008)
What is it that you think eats Blue Marlin?
Harry
What a stupid argument. Clearly, Blue Marlin are apex predators. There are no Orcas in the gulf so that's just stupid. But, Harry, when I was a kid I saw a photo in Hawaii of a big blue marlin with a small one's bill sticking out of his side. It looked like the 800# one had eaten a 100#. FYI.
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| So you think that a blue has never been preyed upon or eating by a shark of any kind...... so you think a blue eats sharks? or orcas? or whales? then how can it be at the top of the food chain and be an apex predator if its not the king of the sea and will eat anything it comes across?
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I am not arguing just having a discussion.
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| could someone draw me a flow chart of Apex predators so we can solve this. Although I would agree for their food chain, a blue is near the top. But don't for one second think that a shark won't get him a nibble if the opportunity arises.
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| Hal, And Lion's eat lions...they are still apex predators. By definittion, apex predators are as a group at the top of their respective food chain. Humans are apex predators, but a bear, white pointer, or lion would still eat us given the opportunity. Harry
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Harry Brosofsky (7/8/2008)
What is it that you think eats Blue Marlin? Harry bahimians regularly eat Blue Marlin as well as eastern Pacific Island peoples. In fact they are regularly eatten every where except the USA. With That said , I think that killing one not for food to be a waste. With that said , Kill touurneys are legal and so is keeping marlin as long as they measure. I have fished in two offshore big game tournements and both times landed marlin under the required lenght. I remeber wondering what i would do if we had caught a monster as i too really dont want to kill a marlin. I think that there are so few left from commercial fishing that everyone is important to the fishery. I am no tree hugger and regually kill lots of fish to eat. I just dont thinks its right to hang one for the thrill or the money . Now i have never won 1 million dollars in a tourney, which i am sure is a thrill in itself which causes most to stick a gaff in anything due to the prize. I think the boat that catches and releases the most marlin to be the best marln fisherman on a given day, and not the guy thats hooks and lands the biggest. More skill is required in landing more than one marlin in the gulf in one day or several, than catching one monster. Plus when you figure that the breeding stock of females is over 250 Pounds plus , then every large marlin killed is one less spawning out there(tourneys target these brood fish by having the size limit right at the spawning size and not under) . There is no doubt that marlin have been over fished as bycatch on long line gear . Way more marlin die every single day due to this type of fishing which is ruining the fishery for eveyone. Now with the advent of the new rules using circle hooks the catch rates will go way down and so will the numbers of dead marlin. As long as these fish are studied after killed , then there is no waste becasue the schools that study these fish need smaples to figure out how to save the Marlin fishery for the future. Maybe a rule that fines anglers for bring short fish to teh scales will do away with this type of deal , and as stated above maybe the tourneys should hand out floating measure ropes to all contestants so no issues come about. I remember a few years back seeing a dead marlin float in the grand lagoon at the bay pointe, as it was 1 inch short so the guy dumped it ? that folks is pure waste and exactly why some hate kill tourneys. Also remeber , no marlin = no marlin tourney's in the future so i would think it would be in the best interest of the tourneys and their participants to protect and save the marlin ...... Ok so that was my 2 cents ...........so now bring one the 
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we are only apex with our technology to help us. naked in the woods we are pretty helpless.
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| You're funny Mike! I hear that Blue Marlin goes well with Bald Eagle breast and a slice of fresh Manatee. Harry
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| You guys need to start an APEX Predator thread or get the hell off the subject. This was about a decision made at 4 in the afternoon on a fish that WAS tournament legal when measured. There were no other fish that had been killed and the "Game On" crew stood to make a good some of money. I have tagged many billfish ( I have also killed them), this is an absurd argument to put any blame on these guys. My cousin was the angler and I'm damn proud of him for catching a 315lb Blue marlin in green water on live bait and a circle hook (59 boats and 1 fish killed). It's really funny to me that people who have never fished for these "APEX Predators" can tell all of us who do that we are barbarians for killing them....BS. Oh yeah, i just ate some of that fish...I may kill the next legal one I catch just to EAT IT. Scott
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Harry Brosofsky (7/8/2008)
You're funny Mike! I hear that Blue Marlin goes well with Bald Eagle breast and a slice of fresh Manatee. Harry don't forget the spotted owl gumbo
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Harry Brosofsky (7/8/2008)
You're funny Mike! I hear that Blue Marlin goes well with Bald Eagle breast and a slice of fresh Manatee. Harry Dont forget I ordered leatherback Turtle soup as an appitizer  BTW i heard Manatte tastes like chicken...........I better not say who told me .....
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