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| Wow, this is really a great thread. Good conservation along with sporting topic. The only question I would have is; why bother when it is close unless you know you are the only one? If that is the case, it was done as a what the heck why not give it a shot and no thought of conservation was given. There is no way it shrunk two inches on the way in, they knew it was close but erred on the side of $$$$. I have never had the opportunity and am not sure if I ever will, but I hope that when I get the chance I let it grow a little and bag it later for some real $$$$, or better yet the experience. I like others dont have a problem with hauling one to the scales when I have a real shot, but when you know it is iffy (a guess on my part) then we are left to wonder what the thought process might be. Just so you all know, I would love to see all of these be catch and release. The sponsors of these tourneys need people to drool at the opportunity to catch one of these in order to sell their products. I assume this is the primary motivation for the "Kill" tourneys. Personally, when I looked at Hal's old avatar, that was all the motivation I needed. Putting your hand on one of those is truly APEX meets APEX. I would much rather look them in the eye, than see them in the box.
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mpmorr (7/6/2008)
Wow, this is really a great thread. Good conservation along with sporting topic. The only question I would have is; why bother when it is close unless you know you are the only one? If that is the case, it was done as a what the heck why not give it a shot and no thought of conservation was given. There is no way it shrunk two inches on the way in, they knew it was close but erred on the side of $$$$. I have never had the opportunity and am not sure if I ever will, but I hope that when I get the chance I let it grow a little and bag it later for some real $$$$, or better yet the experience. I like others dont have a problem with hauling one to the scales when I have a real shot, but when you know it is iffy (a guess on my part) then we are left to wonder what the thought process might be. Just so you all know, I would love to see all of these be catch and release. The sponsors of these tourneys need people to drool at the opportunity to catch one of these in order to sell their products. I assume this is the primary motivation for the "Kill" tourneys. Personally, when I looked at Hal's old avatar, that was all the motivation I needed. Putting your hand on one of those is truly APEX meets APEX. I would much rather look them in the eye, than see them in the box. Great Post.
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| first off if the fish were to of been long enough (keep in mind it was short for the tournament, but long enough to keep by law) these guys would of pocketed BIG bucks second....the fish might of died during the fight, its not unheard of third....the scientist will be all over this fish taking samples that will help us better understand them, not to mention the meat usually goes to the local homeless shelters I wouldn't have a problem killing the fish, i've never killed one before, but if there was LOTS of money on the line, not to mention helping science and the local homeless population.....i'd stick a flyer or two in it
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| Just a Question? The highest per/capita income in State of Alabama last year was Montrose (Between Daphne and Fairhope) just ahead of Orange Beach and The Highest per/capita income in the State of Florida for years running is West Palm, just ahead of Gulf Breeze. I would have to think that if everyone that had the ability to take a legal Marlin in the Gulf at any time took one, the population would be in trouble, if not desimated. If everyone that had he way and means in the northern gulf to take a legal Marlin took one, how many would there be left?
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first off if the fish were to of been long enough (keep in mind it was short for the tournament, but long enough to keep by law) these guys would of pocketed BIG bucks second....the fish might of died during the fight, its not unheard of third....the scientist will be all over this fish taking samples that will help us better understand them, not to mention the meat usually goes to the local homeless shelters I wouldn't have a problem killing the fish, i've never killed one before, but if there was LOTS of money on the line, not to mention helping science and the local homeless population.....i'd stick a flyer or two in it Your right the scientist were all over it. We used a cart to carry the blue and after the scales, the scientist wanted a few minutes. The next boat had 6 fish to weigh which we carried individually while the blue was on the cart, cut on and samples taken.
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| Scientists are there because they don't want to pass up an opportunity, but I'll bet every one of them would rather not have that opportunity. Harry
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biggamefishr (7/6/2008)
first off if the fish were to of been long enough (keep in mind it was short for the tournament, but long enough to keep by law) these guys would of pocketed BIG bucks second....the fish might of died during the fight, its not unheard of third....the scientist will be all over this fish taking samples that will help us better understand them, not to mention the meat usually goes to the local homeless shelters I wouldn't have a problem killing the fish, i've never killed one before, but if there was LOTS of money on the line, not to mention helping science and the local homeless population.....i'd stick a flyer or two in it First, I would like to give credit where credit is do. Congrats to the angler and crew for catching a blue marlin. As tough as fishing is right now, short of having to run north of CUBA to find blue water, even getting a marlin in the spread is an honor, much less catching one. Now I digress As for the Pensacola International, there was NOT a lot of money on the line. Every boat that left the captians meeting knew there wasn't much in the calcutta. It had a weak turnout with 59 boats ( as compared to the year before 79, and the year before that almost 100). Water and fuel had a lot to do with that. The top pay out this year was 30K. Sure, that is a lot until you consider: taxes at 30% = 20k, minus fuel (500-1000 gallons) =15K, minus entries = 14k, minus bait, ice, food, BEER and divide all that by 6 people= NOT A LOT OF MONEY. As for the condition of the fish, from radio talk it was a short fight on heavy tackle. I was not on the boat so I dont know for sure the actual time of the fight. Most blue marlin can withstand a short fight like that and still be pretty fisty at boat side. But, I am SURE there is video and pics to show the condition of the fish, that would put to rest the " i heard the fish was upside down or I heard his stomach was hanging out.........". Plus he was caught on live bait and a circle hook, so circle hooks arent suppose to gut hook fish, correct? My question is, if the fish measured " 102 inches on the nose" How did they get that measurement before they boated it??? There is no way to know for sure that fish is over 102" measuring in the water, with the boat in gear, the fish flopping, and distortion of the water. As for the overall situation, hind sight is 20/20 and looking back it was a mistake to boat that fish. It is what it is. With this situation, all us tournament fisherman can learn from this. I am all for killing a big blue marlin. I feel that the tournies should be 110". But none the less, if the fish isn't 4-5 inches over the limit, he shouldn't be killed. Case closed. And although scientist always like samples, I would agree that this is one they probably didn't want. But just chalking the mistake up to science, is just dimissing it. Hopefully everyone learned from there mistake. And know that even block and tackles won't strech an undersized fish. Just my .02 cents
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Caspr21 (7/7/2008)
[quote][b] How did they get that measurement before they boated it??? There is no way to know for sure that fish is over 102" measuring in the water, with the boat in gear, the fish flopping, and distortion of the water.
I am not going to pass up an opporunity to get into it with you Wes. But just for the sake of arguement, we have this nifty little device on PrimeTime which is merely a length of rope measuring something like 106" with a float on one end of it. When a fish is boatside, we put one end of the rope at the fork of his jaw, and the end with the float floats back beyond the fish and this gives us a pretty good idiot-proof idea of the fish's length. Anyways, call me I have the day off tomorrow and haven't heard from your ass in awhile.
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| we too have that same device. But imagine this,you have the rope FLOATING, the fish is underwater swimming, even just a few inches and you are going, man he is close ie right at your 102" mark, why kill that fish??? The only way you are going to make the measurement is if you caught him in the pass and he is still breathing when he is weighed.
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| Blue Hoo, Jealous? Hardly. I've got my own boat and have released a fair number of billfish. I just see no point in killing an apex predator (I don't kill sharks either). BTW, please keep your racist remarks off the forum...joke or not, there's no need for it, and it just marks you as ignorant. Harry
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Did anyone post a pic of the 102" anywhere??
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| A marlin is no more an "apex" predator than the tuna in your avatar, and probably tastes just as good. And talk about marking your ignorance. You're bashing a fellow fisherman's right to take a legal fish. All you are doing is giving tree-huggers more ammunition to fight and take away our right to fish.
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big money has no bearing on right and wrong. should we kill elephants, tigers, greatwhites, polar bears, dolphin (the mammal) i am not the king of right and wrong, let your conscious be your guide.
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A marlin is no more an "apex" predator than the tuna in your avatar, and probably tastes just as good. And talk about marking your ignorance. You're bashing a fellow fisherman's right to take a legal fish. All you are doing is giving tree-huggers more ammunition to fight and take away our right to fish.Yellowfin are not considered apex predators...they are routinely eaten by Marlin, killer whales, sharks, etc. So who is showing their ignorance? Also, I'm not bashing anyone's right to do anything. In fact, I never said he didn't have the right to take one, only that the practice of taking apex predators for no reason other than to win a prize is ludicrous. Also, the ammunition the tree huggers need is dragging in a fish that doesn't even make the tournament minimum length and was thus killed for NO VALID REASON...it wasn't even a money fish. Harry
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Harry, stop all the Apex Predator BS. THe guys killed him so they are clearly the Apex predators not the fish
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A marlin is no more an "apex" predator than the tuna in your avatar, and probably tastes just as good. And talk about marking your ignorance. You're bashing a fellow fisherman's right to take a legal fish. All you are doing is giving tree-huggers more ammunition to fight and take away our right to fish.Yellowfin are not considered apex predators...they are routinely eaten by Marlin, killer whales, sharks, etc. So who is showing their ignorance? Also, I'm not bashing anyone's right to do anything. In fact, I never said he didn't have the right to take one, only that the practice of taking apex predators for no reason other than to win a prize is ludicrous. Also, the ammunition the tree huggers need is dragging in a fish that doesn't even make the tournament minimum length and was thus killed for NO VALID REASON...it wasn't even a money fish. Harry I am in no way trying to start an argument with you. So here is my question... you keep calling them an apex predator can you show me where they are listed as apex predators. I typed in yahoo search "apex predators of the sea" and this is what i came up with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_apex_predators and it does have BLACK MARLIN as an apex predator but no where does it say BLUE MARLIN. So is it your opinion that it is an apex predator or can you show where you came up with it? thanks
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A marlin is no more an "apex" predator than the tuna in your avatar, and probably tastes just as good. And talk about marking your ignorance. You're bashing a fellow fisherman's right to take a legal fish. All you are doing is giving tree-huggers more ammunition to fight and take away our right to fish.Yellowfin are not considered apex predators...they are routinely eaten by Marlin, killer whales, sharks, etc. So who is showing their ignorance? Also, I'm not bashing anyone's right to do anything. In fact, I never said he didn't have the right to take one, only that the practice of taking apex predators for no reason other than to win a prize is ludicrous. Also, the ammunition the tree huggers need is dragging in a fish that doesn't even make the tournament minimum length and was thus killed for NO VALID REASON...it wasn't even a money fish. Harry I am in no way trying to start an argument with you. So here is my question... you keep calling them an apex predator can you show me where they are listed as apex predators. I typed in yahoo search "apex predators of the sea" and this is what i came up with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_apex_predators and it does have BLACK MARLIN as an apex predator but no where does it say BLUE MARLIN. So is it your opinion that it is an apex predator or can you show where you came up with it? thanks What does a king fisherman know about apex predators??? hahaha that was for the sun tan comment
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A marlin is no more an "apex" predator than the tuna in your avatar, and probably tastes just as good. And talk about marking your ignorance. You're bashing a fellow fisherman's right to take a legal fish. All you are doing is giving tree-huggers more ammunition to fight and take away our right to fish.Yellowfin are not considered apex predators...they are routinely eaten by Marlin, killer whales, sharks, etc. So who is showing their ignorance? Also, I'm not bashing anyone's right to do anything. In fact, I never said he didn't have the right to take one, only that the practice of taking apex predators for no reason other than to win a prize is ludicrous. Also, the ammunition the tree huggers need is dragging in a fish that doesn't even make the tournament minimum length and was thus killed for NO VALID REASON...it wasn't even a money fish. Harry I am in no way trying to start an argument with you. So here is my question... you keep calling them an apex predator can you show me where they are listed as apex predators. I typed in yahoo search "apex predators of the sea" and this is what i came up with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_apex_predators and it does have BLACK MARLIN as an apex predator but no where does it say BLUE MARLIN. So is it your opinion that it is an apex predator or can you show where you came up with it? thanks What does a king fisherman know about apex predators??? hahaha that was for the sun tan comment Hell that's why I asked the question I trying to learn something and your name is casper so you know you can't tan
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| They killed a short fish...1 fish. To all those who got their panties in a wad over it, you ought to fight longlining all over the world as they "kill em all". Was in Costa Rica earlier this year and you would not believe the amount of Billfish that get whacked, butchered, and sold for less than a $1/lb.
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| yellow not directed at you......... it was a legal fish..call it short or call it what ya want to...everyones is bitching cause this "LEGAL" fish was brought in......laws state a min. size and that size was met...... whether it be snapper,grouper,mahi or billfish, if someone abides by the "laws" then let it be....tournament or not....NO LAWS WERE BROKEN.........maybe some moral issues were hurt but it was all LEGAL!!!
  
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bluffman2 (7/7/2008)
yellow not directed at you......... it was a legal fish..call it short or call it what ya want to...everyones is bitching cause this "LEGAL" fish was brought in......laws state a min. size and that size was met...... whether it be snapper,grouper,mahi or billfish, if someone abides by the "laws" then let it be....tournament or not....NO LAWS WERE BROKEN.........maybe some moral issues were hurt but it was all LEGAL!!! very well said sir! and apparently, it wasn't an APEX PREDATOR.... the sonofabitch got KILLED, didn't it????
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| I also think that is puts a bad taste in the mouth of people about the Pensacola International. A tourny that is already having a hard time surviving in the tourny world and just to have a fish block and tackled off of the tower to stretch it to make it a tourny legal fish. I just hope this provides a learning opportunity for future tournies that if the fish hits right on the mark in the water, you better just tag it and send it to grow up cause he isn't going to be tourny legal. Also, it sucks for Game On, because as of now, they are going to be remembered as the boat that killed the fish that was too small in the 2008 international, not from the other tournies that they have done well in. Just my opinion
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| "blood will be shed on any boat I work." Wow HOO!! sounds like you got lots of expirence in the bluewater, me im just getting started, mabye we can do lunch sometime at say, "Orange Beach Marina" and you can give me a few pointers, that is if you wake up in time for lunch off someones boat?? that would be swell!!!hell' id even buy lunch!!!!! JC 
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MULLET HUNTER (7/7/2008)
"blood will be shed on any boat I work." Wow HOO!! sounds like you got lots of expirence in the bluewater, me im just getting started, mabye we can do lunch sometime at say, "Orange Beach Marina" and you can give me a few pointers, that is if you wake up in time for lunch off someones boat?? that would be swell!!!hell' id even buy lunch!!!!! JC
i'd be willing to bet he's forgot about more fish than you'll catch in the next 5 years, stick to hunting mullet.
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| I knew this post was coming the minute I watched the fish get measured! Let's give the guys from the "Game On" a break and let it lay. Everyone talks about it now sitting at their computer desk, but it's much different when your in the moment. Every boat that leaves that dock is leaving to go kill a blue marlin, a 99 inch (FL Minimum) is a big fish. So everyone saying they killed a small one is not true, a 150 pounder is little! The NMFS sets the regs for a reason, if we abide by them we will not have future problems with the number of that particular species. In my opinion there are plenty of blue marlin out there. If there were 75 boats who went blue marlin fishing every weekend we would hear a lot more stories, but many of these boats fun fish once or twice a year and then fish tournaments. My life revolves around fishing tournaments (angler, owner, director) and it does somewhat scare me that a tournament every weekend is putting a lot of heat on our fishery. On the other hand millions of dollars are spent every year on science and data collection to set the regulations, so as long as we follow them we should be ok... The sad thing is I know everyone who was on the "Game On" and no one brought me a piece of blue marlin!
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I knew this post was coming the minute I watched the fish get measured! Let's give the guys from the "Game On" a break and let it lay. Everyone talks about it now sitting at their computer desk, but it's much different when your in the moment. Every boat that leaves that dock is leaving to go kill a blue marlin, a 99 inch (FL Minimum) is a big fish. So everyone saying they killed a small one is not true, a 150 pounder is little! The NMFS sets the regs for a reason, if we abide by them we will not have future problems with the number of that particular species. In my opinion there are plenty of blue marlin out there. If there were 75 boats who went blue marlin fishing every weekend we would hear a lot more stories, but many of these boats fun fish once or twice a year and then fish tournaments. My life revolves around fishing tournaments (angler, owner, director) and it does somewhat scare me that a tournament every weekend is putting a lot of heat on our fishery. On the other hand millions of dollars are spent every year on science and data collection to set the regulations, so as long as we follow them we should be ok... The sad thing is I know everyone who was on the "Game On" and no one brought me a piece of blue marlin! dang Phillips.... i even got some.... j/k
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| must have struck a vein......i mean nerve......you two have to be dateing.....jc
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must have struck a vein......i mean nerve......you two have to be dateing.....jcno, there is just no need for such a personal attack when all he said was " I'll kill a fish in a tournament" hell, i would too, and never think twice!
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